Crowder irate with Celtics fans for cheering Hayward (Going off on Twitter).

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Come on, this is all silly. People are able to compare Hayward and Crowder and almost everybody agrees that the distance between the two is not that big. However, CROWDER IS IN A 6 MILLION PER - 4 YEAR CONTRACT.

There is absolutely no logic to give up on him and sign Hayward.

This league has a salary cap, Crowder has one of the best contracts in the whole league. Spend the cap for a center, not for a 3.

On top of that, even though they play the same position, they don't play the same role. They can play together. If anything, signing Hayward would take minutes from Smart, Bradley, and Rozier.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I wrote this in the comments on one of the front-page stories, but figure I'll add my two cents here as well:

I'm not sure what Jae, and certain Celtics fans, expect.

There are, at most, a handful of players who are "untouchable" in trades. Jae Crowder is not even close to being one of them. Neither is anyone else on this roster.

I get it; the Celtics of the last couple seasons have been a great rah-rah story—"We’re One Superstar" and all that—and team play is certainly important. But the NBA is a business, and Danny’s ultimate goal, his endgame, is another title—so things like teamwork and camaraderie and the like, though they have their place in the NBA, are generally a bigger deal to fans than to team executives. Celtics fans have different opinions in the Crowder vs. Hayward debate, but one thing should be clear to us all: Danny will always be cheering for whoever’s wearing Green, but he’ll also always be thinking about how to make the team better. And in this case, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have Crowder written in stone—or even penciled in—as a starter on the next Celtics title team. Crowder should realize that, and so should Celtics fans.

After all, I’m pretty sure there’s not even one Celtics fan who, if asked to pick the one player in the whole league they’d want as Boston’s starting SF, would pick Crowder. Which means, when you get right down to it, we ALL want an upgrade from Crowder. Hayward may be that, or he may not be; but let’s not act like Crowder is Paul Pierce.

[walker834]

Come on, this is all silly. People are able to compare Hayward and Crowder and almost everybody agrees that the distance between the two is not that big. However, CROWDER IS IN A 6 MILLION PER - 4 YEAR CONTRACT.

There is absolutely no logic to give up on him and sign Hayward.

This league has a salary cap, Crowder has one of the best contracts in the whole league. Spend the cap for a center, not for a 3.

On top of that, even though they play the same position, they don't play the same role. They can play together. If anything, signing Hayward would take minutes from Smart, Bradley, and Rozier.

I think it would be one or the other type deals.  I'd keep smart, bradley and rozier over crowder.  plus jaylen and sutract crowder.  smart is a better defender than him and better up and coming player.   Giving up smart isnt worth hayward when he is a free agent anyways.  We would lose Crowder which means they would be dealt for each other which isn't happening.

The celtics ultimately are going to win by numbers and just swarming teams.  AB, Smart, Rozier, Jaylen are too important to that.

I'd take Hayward over Crowder but probably not happening.  We need a big man.

[walker834]

Give me IT, Horford, Smart, Bradley, Jaylen possibly Rozier, Jerebko or Crowder plus just more talent down low and on the wings and this team is set.   I wouldn't mess with the core too much.  Crowder could be dealt with these  picks or he's just on board and we use these picks.

The celtics ultimately are going to win with their system and numbers though and just having talented pieces.  IT and Horford aren't going anywhere any time soon.  Smart,Bradley and guys like jaylen aren't either.

There's potential for a trade somewhere maybe with Smart or Crowder or Rozier and those picks but most of these guys are locked in.  At least a handful.

My handful would be Horford, IT, Bradley, Smart, Jaylen. Rozier, Crowder, Jerebko, etc give us options though. Nothing needs to be done there.

[Ogaju]

I wrote this in the comments on one of the front-page stories, but figure I'll add my two cents here as well:

I'm not sure what Jae, and certain Celtics fans, expect.

There are, at most, a handful of players who are "untouchable" in trades. Jae Crowder is not even close to being one of them. Neither is anyone else on this roster.

I get it; the Celtics of the last couple seasons have been a great rah-rah story—"We’re One Superstar" and all that—and team play is certainly important. But the NBA is a business, and Danny’s ultimate goal, his endgame, is another title—so things like teamwork and camaraderie and the like, though they have their place in the NBA, are generally a bigger deal to fans than to team executives. Celtics fans have different opinions in the Crowder vs. Hayward debate, but one thing should be clear to us all: Danny will always be cheering for whoever’s wearing Green, but he’ll also always be thinking about how to make the team better. And in this case, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have Crowder written in stone—or even penciled in—as a starter on the next Celtics title team. Crowder should realize that, and so should Celtics fans.

After all, I’m pretty sure there’s not even one Celtics fan who, if asked to pick the one player in the whole league they’d want as Boston’s starting SF, would pick Crowder. Which means, when you get right down to it, we ALL want an upgrade from Crowder. Hayward may be that, or he may not be; but let’s not act like Crowder is Paul Pierce.

You had me until 'Hayward may be that'...No Hayward is not that, and therein lies the problem. He does not move the needle one inch. What he may give in offense he loses in defense grit and leadership.

[green_bballers13]

Hayward might move the needle one inch. He might move it two inches. The amount of inches that Hayward moves the needle doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I think that this issue is getting a lot of publicity for such an obvious reach.

I see no reason why Danny should go out and pay a non superstar max $, while blocking a) a tremendous value in Crowder and b) the highest drafted player (J. Brown) since Chauncey Billups.

This seems like a tremendous non-starter. Why are people circulating Hayward rumors?

[green_bballers13]

I wrote this in the comments on one of the front-page stories, but figure I'll add my two cents here as well:

[quote]I'm not sure what Jae, and certain Celtics fans, expect.

There are, at most, a handful of players who are "untouchable" in trades. Jae Crowder is not even close to being one of them. Neither is anyone else on this roster.

I get it; the Celtics of the last couple seasons have been a great rah-rah story—"We’re One Superstar" and all that—and team play is certainly important. But the NBA is a business, and Danny’s ultimate goal, his endgame, is another title—so things like teamwork and camaraderie and the like, though they have their place in the NBA, are generally a bigger deal to fans than to team executives. Celtics fans have different opinions in the Crowder vs. Hayward debate, but one thing should be clear to us all: Danny will always be cheering for whoever’s wearing Green, but he’ll also always be thinking about how to make the team better. And in this case, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have Crowder written in stone—or even penciled in—as a starter on the next Celtics title team. Crowder should realize that, and so should Celtics fans.

After all, I’m pretty sure there’s not even one Celtics fan who, if asked to pick the one player in the whole league they’d want as Boston’s starting SF, would pick Crowder. Which means, when you get right down to it, we ALL want an upgrade from Crowder. Hayward may be that, or he may not be; but let’s not act like Crowder is Paul Pierce.

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I think Jae understands trade rumors regarding KD, AD, KAT, Boogie, Thompson, Green, Griffin, George, etc. I don't think that Hayward is in that tier, and I'm sure Crowder thinks that Hayward is closer to his level. They are different players with different skill sets, but I might be perturbed if I thought a guy who isn't much better than me was going to take my job, and get paid 3-4x what I make.

Would most people not be ticked off by that?

Re: his twitter rants- he deleted a lot of his tweets b/c he knew he was in the wrong. I imagine over the next couple of weeks things will become more ubuntu with him, Danny, and Brad.

In the meantime, I like watching an irritated Crowder play ball. He looked really good last night.

[walker834]

Hayward is  Utah's star player. Their team is built around him and favors and gobert down low. But Hayward is the primary scorer on that team who stretches the floor and can do all sorts of things.  We beat them but it's because we have IT and all those guys.  Crowder is a good shooter next to bradley and  IT. Supposedly he's still locked in. It's just what he'sbeing asked to do he hasn't been doing as much on D but he was our identity that way last year.  He can still be that.  That's not something Hayward is.  Hayward would give us a true #2 after IT and raise the needle that way. Bradley is good an d so is Horford but Hayward would be a legit #2.  The thing is Jaylen can be that too and Crowder is really fine and can be that much better in other facets.

I don't mind the  hayward rumors so much because he's a good player who would be good here.  HE's one rumor I don't mind so much.  It's probably never going to happen though.

[NickCeltics]

I agree. He did say on post game comments that it did fire him up. I'd love to see that Crowder on a regular basis. I think this has all been blown out of proportion a little. Coach Stevens said he'd spoken to Crowder about it and they're moving on from it, it was just an emotional response. It's similar to when you may have an argument with somebody and in a silly moment of seeing red you say something nasty that you don't really mean, and that you regret instantly. Crowder deleting the tweets is the equivalent on saying "I'm sorry, I didn't mean it!", when you've had that argument. Again, as Stevens said, it was an emotional response and its time to move on.

[walker834]

The thing is  Jae should take it as a compliment.  He's utah's star player. These guys can't be had for nothing.  The issue is the media runs with it any time Brad even says hello to  Hayward after a game and twists it that way.  People are ****s lol.  Not that friendly.

[SparzWizard]

Its' still about a million times a better sports city than anywhere else.  It depends on  who your friends are.

Boston is a demanding sports city. Boston fans are smarter than most other places, and are not happy at all if players don't reach their potentials, don't play at 100% effort, or don't show total dedication. In Crowder's case, fans realize the team is close but needs an upgrade, and it won't be at ITs or Horford's position. Everyone else is fair game to come off the bench or be traded.

And I thought LA fans were smart lol

[hodgy03038]

The game that Crowder played was outstanding and if it fired him up that the fans were cheering for Hayward the I say we cheer for every opponent's player that plays Crowder's position and we will have a superstar for the rest of the season. Plus, they weren't cheering to lose Crowder they were just sending a message to add Hayward because he is a free agent after this season and they can co-exist.

[Tr1boy]

The game that Crowder played was outstanding and if it fired him up that the fans were cheering for Hayward the I say we cheer for every opponent's player that plays Crowder's position and we will have a superstar for the rest of the season. Plus, they weren't cheering to lose Crowder they were just sending a message to add Hayward because he is a free agent after this season and they can co-exist.

Lets see if he can continue

He is having a weak vs last season

[Big333223]

I think the point was just that, even if you do want Hayward to come to Boston, as long as he's wearing a Utah jersey, you don't cheer for that guy. He's the opposition. Period.

And if you really want him to come here, show him how we treat the Celtics we have on the roster.

[Celtics4ever]

I think the point was just that, even if you do want Hayward to come to Boston, as long as he's wearing a Utah jersey, you don't cheer for that guy. He's the opposition. Period.

And if you really want him to come here, show him how we treat the Celtics we have on the roster.

Guys recall boos though.  Most guys comment on our fans and the Garden rocking.  But many of them recall the boos.

Here is an example :

 http://nesn.com/2016/11/draymond-green-has-a-message-for-celtics-fans-who-booed-kevin-durant/

No one cares when some one is cheering one of their players in an arena that is almost a given.   What you suggest might work in Bizarro World, though.