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Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« on: December 20, 2016, 03:14:46 PM »

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Porter was the 3rd overall pick in the 2013 draft by the Wizards, and struggled a lot during his first two seasons.  Last year he had some good stretches, but was pretty inconsistent.  This summer, the Wizards took a wait-and-see approach, not offering him an extension (although given David Falk is his agent, there probably wasn't much room for negotiation to begin with.)

This year, he's taken a huge step forward.  He's shooting terrifically -- 53%/40%/80%.  His eFG% is 5th in the league at .598, which is the highest for any non-center.  His True Shooting percentage is 17th.  He's also grabbing over 7 rebounds per game as a 3/4 hybrid, and is 12th in steals per game. On the other hand, his usage is still a bit low, since Wall and Beal take up a lot of shots.  He also turns 24 in June.  So is this a young guy who's finally putting it all together, and primed to become a star, or at least a top-tier #2 option?  Or is this a good two months in a walk year from a #3 guy on a mediocre team?

I'm leaning towards thinking he'd be a deserving max player myself.  And despite his restricted free agent status, he might be acquirable in free agency next summer.  The Wizards have a lot of money tied up next year -- $97 million guaranteed to only 9 players.  If Porter is maxed, that could push them to well over $120 million -- maybe even $130 million.  Certainly they would be pushing into the luxury tax territory.  Meanwhile, the Wizards are one of only three teams to have never paid the luxury tax, and their team might not even make the playoffs this season.  Ownership is very cheap -- I find it very hard to believe they'd pay the luxury tax in almost any year, and certainly not one in which they just missed the playoffs.  Fans aren't turning up either, as the team is bottom-5 in attendance.  And finally compounding their financial matters is the new "designated veteran extension rule."  John Wall could be eligible, and he's not happy with his current contract   He doesn't like that Beal makes so much more, and if Porter were to also eclipse him, that could be even more problematic.  While Wall is still under contract for two more years after this, it would not shock me at all to see him get an extension this summer.  I don't know that Washington has the budget to max Porter and Wall in July.

Accordingly, it's conceivable that the Wizards could shy away from matching a max offer sheet for Porter.  Should we start adding him into our hypothetical summer of 2017 targets?  I say "yes."

Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 03:32:50 PM »

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I'm not a fan of max contracts for guys that had one good (contract) year

Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 03:33:36 PM »

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Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 04:05:38 PM »

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I haven't seen the Wizards yet this season (although I'm in DC now so maybe I'll catch some games) so I haven't seen the improved OP.  However, his numbers are impressive.  I think he could be a worthy max contract target.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 04:05:57 PM »

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He did put up 34/14 against the C's.  If you can't beat him, sign him I guess.

Seriously though, I don't think he's a max player, yet.  I'd want to see him step up a little more on offense. 

In the 2 games without Wall he's averaging 9ppg (10, 8 ).
In the 3 games without Beal he's averaging 11ppg (11, 8, 15).
In the 1 game without Wall or Beal he had 8.

Super small sample size, but for most guys not named Ben Wallace or DeAndre Jordan, I'd want them to be able to step and and act as a go to scorer when needed, even if they're not the primary offensive option normally.

I'd like to see a decent stretch with Beal or Wall out to judge how he might handle carrying a larger load.  Definitely not comfortable giving him a max contract. Though I tend to think those Georgetown guys like Porter, and even Monroe would function well in a Brad Stevens system, even Jeff Green was averaging 19 per 36 under Stevens.  Would be very interested in him on a non-max deal though (especially if Crowder or Brown gets moved in a trade).
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Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 04:06:53 PM »

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No interest, there is no way Washington doesn't match anything on him.

With this year's wing class I'd rather have the C's fill that need via the draft.

I do think Porter and Jaylen could play well together long term.
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Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 04:21:27 PM »

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Wow. That escalated quickly. Two months ago there were legit questions whether or not he was an NBA player. Now he is a max guy.

I'll give it one season. I don't think the percentages hold up that long. Even if they do, he cannot consistently create offense for himself. He is a spot up guy, and an average defender.

However, I could definitely see the Wizards giving him a max or near-max contract.

Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 04:24:09 PM »

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Perhaps, in this watered-down version of the NBA .....Otto Porter a max FA  :-X

Enough Said

Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 04:52:36 PM »

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C.Parsons got the max and Porter is playing at a higher level now than Parsons was back then.

So yes, I think we should expect Porter to command the max.

I am not fond of giving it to him though. I don't think he is good enough off the dribble to elevate his play towards star levels. I think he is a fine 4th wheel.

Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 04:56:06 PM »

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Wow. That escalated quickly. Two months ago there were legit questions whether or not he was an NBA player. Now he is a max guy.

I'll give it one season. I don't think the percentages hold up that long. Even if they do, he cannot consistently create offense for himself. He is a spot up guy, and an average defender.

However, I could definitely see the Wizards giving him a max or near-max contract.

Two months ago any question as to whether or not he was an an NBA player was not a legitimate one.  Star, definitely not.  But he's absolutely been a capable NBA player for at least 14 months, and arguably back as far as the spring of 2015.

He may be a spot-up shooter from 3, but 1/3 of his shots from 2 (which are a majority of his shots) are unassisted.  He's not DeMar DeRozan in terms of creating his own shot, but neither is he JJ Redick.

It's not as if Porter has completely come from nowhere.  His eFG% has jumped from .385 (embarrassingly terrible) at age 20 to .495 (below average) to age 21 to .541 (above average) at age 22 to .598 (elite) at age 23.  There's been a steady climb from ages 20 to 23, which is why teams draft 19 and 20 year-olds -- they get better over time.  It seems like most people in this thread remember Otto Porter, draft bust at age 20, see Otto Porter, very efficient player at age 23, assume it's a fluke, and instead blinked over the fact that he's made large steps every year to get to this point.  Meanwhile, he's also setting career bests in defensive rebounding and steals, so he's not some low-usage one-dimensional player.

I'd like to see him get more shots, myself.  I think the Wizards would be a better team for it.  But he's a very good player -- if nothing else the player we always wished Jeff Green could be.

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 05:08:41 PM »

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He did put up 34/14 against the C's.  If you can't beat him, sign him I guess.



Kinda like Durant? Not really.

Durant was more like "if you cant beat'em, sign with them."

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 05:18:14 PM »

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He did put up 34/14 against the C's.  If you can't beat him, sign him I guess.



Kinda like Durant? Not really.

Durant was more like "if you cant beat'em, sign with them."
if ya can't beat 'em, go where your shoe company wants you to go
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Re: Should Otto Porter be a potential max FA target?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2016, 05:26:31 PM »

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C.Parsons got the max and Porter is playing at a higher level now than Parsons was back then.

So yes, I think we should expect Porter to command the max.

I am not fond of giving it to him though. I don't think he is good enough off the dribble to elevate his play towards star levels. I think he is a fine 4th wheel.

In a world in which Griffin stays in LA, Hayward stays in Utah, and Cousins signs a giant extension in Sacramento, and the Celtics are sitting on a big pile of cash to give to one free agent, would you not give it to him?  Next summer is the last summer to get anyone above the MLE in free agency, and you could do a lot worse than giving the 25% max to an efficient-shooting 24 year-old who can play at two positions on both ends of the court.  I'm arguing that he should be plan D or E, not plan A.  But I do think he should high up on the list of backup plans.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 05:43:24 PM »

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He would stunk the growth of Brown.  Crowder and Brown have the SF taken......

I'd rather spend my money on PF or Center. 

I think we move Amir for Manimal for his 12 million for 3 years. And bring in a solid 6th man and develop our young players.... Thats my guess. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2016, 05:46:21 PM »

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