Jaylen's minutes

[Celtics18]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

[tazzmaniac]

When he's ready to play more minutes, Brad will put him in. The Celtics are trying to win games, not develop players. Teams that aren't interested in winning will probably have a hard time retaining their players once they develop.

Teams that aren't interested in and don't spend the effort on developing their players won't develop their players.  Should just trade our picks if winning games now is all that matters. 

[tazzmaniac]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time. 

[nickagneta]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

[tazzmaniac]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

[Ilikesports17]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I cant speak for other posters but I saw the overreaction as implying that Brown will probably be sent to Maine.

[tazzmaniac]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I cant speak for other posters but I saw the overreaction as implying that Brown will probably be sent to Maine.

Getting Jaylen 12-15 minutes can't be both reasonable and force fed (i.e. undeserved).  I didn't comment on the overreaction comment because that is irrelevant if Jaylen actually gets 12-15 minutes per game.  If Jaylen's playing time is cut significantly, I would expect him to shuttle back and forth to Maine like our other young players have when they aren't getting playing time.   

[Ilikesports17]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I cant speak for other posters but I saw the overreaction as implying that Brown will probably be sent to Maine.

Getting Jaylen 12-15 minutes can't be both reasonable and force fed (i.e. undeserved).  I didn't comment on the overreaction comment because that is irrelevant if Jaylen actually gets 12-15 minutes per game.  If Jaylen's playing time is cut significantly, I would expect him to shuttle back and forth to Maine like our other young players have when they aren't getting playing time.

Ah.

There is a difference between expecting Jaylen to get 12-15 and claiming he should get 12-15.

It's dumb to set a minute floor for anyone. If Jaylen sucks he shouldn't get 12-15 minutes a game.

On the other hand, saying you expect jaylens play to result in 12-15 minutes of floor time is completely reasonable.

[nickagneta]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I originally said giving minutes solely to develop Brown was wrong. That force feeding him minutes wouldnt develop him. When you responded to Celtics18 that the reason Brown was averaging 15 MPG was because of an injury to Crowder and thought Brown would now be shuttled off to Maine, I said THAT was an overreaction.

I think Brown has earned his playing time and until he gets better and proves he deserves more than what an average 8th to 9th man would get in minutes(12-15 minutes or so) the time he gets is fine.

[tazzmaniac]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I cant speak for other posters but I saw the overreaction as implying that Brown will probably be sent to Maine.

Getting Jaylen 12-15 minutes can't be both reasonable and force fed (i.e. undeserved).  I didn't comment on the overreaction comment because that is irrelevant if Jaylen actually gets 12-15 minutes per game.  If Jaylen's playing time is cut significantly, I would expect him to shuttle back and forth to Maine like our other young players have when they aren't getting playing time.

Ah.

There is a difference between expecting Jaylen to get 12-15 and claiming he should get 12-15.

It's dumb to set a minute floor for anyone. If Jaylen sucks he shouldn't get 12-15 minutes a game.

On the other hand, saying you expect jaylens play to result in 12-15 minutes of floor time is completely reasonable.

Why would I want Jaylen to play 12-15 minutes if I thought he sucked?  I said that he isn't clueless as a rookie like Young was.  Jaylen should be getting consistent minutes for his development even if his rookie mistakes cost us a couple regular season games along the way. 

[tazzmaniac]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I originally said giving minutes solely to develop Brown was wrong. That force feeding him minutes wouldnt develop him. When you responded to Celtics18 that the reason Brown was averaging 15 MPG was because of an injury to Crowder and thought Brown would now be shuttled off to Maine, I said THAT was an overreaction.

I think Brown has earned his playing time and until he gets better and proves he deserves more than what an average 8th to 9th man would get in minutes(12-15 minutes or so) the time he gets is fine.

We're on the same page then.  My concern is that I'm not sure Stevens is on that same page. 

[nickagneta]

Um, he's playing 14.9 minutes per game on the season.  Yes, his minutes have been limited the last couple of games, but he's bound to get some games in the near future where Brad extends his playing time again.

It never fails.  Everybody seems to always use the latest game as completely indicative of how a season is going.  There's a reason we use averages.

His average is that high because Crowder was injured.  I don't want to see Jaylen being shuttled off to Maine because Stephens isn't finding him playing time.

Holy overreaction Batman!!!!
 

We all know minutes for 8th and 9th spot in the rotation players vary from game to game. Brown has played less minutes in three of the last 4 games. So what? He will probably average 16-18 over the next 4-5 games. You never know. Right now he is averaging 14 MPG. I think it very reasonable to expect Brown to average around 13-15 MPG from here on out.

I said I wanted to see him getting 12-15 minutes and you responded that he shouldn't be force fed minutes.  Now you say 13-15 MPG is reasonable from here on out.  Which is it?   

I originally said giving minutes solely to develop Brown was wrong. That force feeding him minutes wouldnt develop him. When you responded to Celtics18 that the reason Brown was averaging 15 MPG was because of an injury to Crowder and thought Brown would now be shuttled off to Maine, I said THAT was an overreaction.

I think Brown has earned his playing time and until he gets better and proves he deserves more than what an average 8th to 9th man would get in minutes(12-15 minutes or so) the time he gets is fine.

We're on the same page then.  My concern is that I'm not sure Stevens is on that same page.

Okay, TP. 

Regarding Stevens, I think he knows what he is doing. I think he balances the desire for winning now against the need to develop talent pretty well. Look at the development of Smart and Rozier to earn minutes and develop their games while being in a winning environment.

I think Brown is raw, more raw than Smart and Rozier were as rookies, but Brown has a much higher ceiling. He was also put into a situation to easily earn minutes because of the complete lack of depth at his position. So though he is getting minutes where a less raw Rozier at this point of last season didnt, I still think he is more raw. Rozier was just stuck behind a lot of talent last year.

Stevens is doing a great job handling this, IMHO.

[LarBrd33]

It's not really rocket surgery why he's not getting minutes.  He's bottom 4 on the team in Per-36 along with James Young, Gerald Green and Jordan Mickey.  He doesn't really deserve minutes right now.  He's not good yet.  He barely does anything when he's on the court.

[Big333223]

I agree that force feeding minutes can be harmful to a player's development but I also think the only way to get someone more comfortable on the NBA stage is to give them minutes on the NBA stage. That doesn't have to be the 20 mpg he was averaging while Crowder was out but these 4 and 6 minute games aren't going to do much for him.

So yeah, I'd like to see him getting more floor time, both to develop and also because when he's gotten extended run in the past he's shown he can make stuff happen.

[liam]

It's not really rocket surgery why he's not getting minutes.  He's bottom 4 on the team in Per-36 along with James Young, Gerald Green and Jordan Mickey.  He doesn't really deserve minutes right now.  He's not good yet.  He barely does anything when he's on the court.

I disagree. I see many positive things that Jaylen is already bringing to the court in limited minutes.