2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (We Did It Guys! Fireworks!!!)

[ashanm10]

Random comment,

The fact that KO hasnt signed anywhere yet, is he waiting on us first?

[jpotter33]

its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.

He coud always ask/demand/force a trade

That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.

But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?

So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.

It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that

I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron.  Danny has "only" won once as an executive.

Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.

He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.

[Roy H.]

its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.

He coud always ask/demand/force a trade

That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.

But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?

So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.

It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that

I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron.  Danny has "only" won once as an executive.

Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.

He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.

Neither do we. Neither does Utah.

Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.

[blink]

So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder?   I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before.  Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?

[Roy H.]

So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder?   I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before.  Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?

It depends who we can get in trade. If Crowder is the best player, he can easily play a Posey role.

[Rida]

So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder?   I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before.  Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?

I've been thinking about this, common sense would say that you should trade him for a rebounding 4/5.

Who would be the odd man out on a crunch time 5 of Isaiah, Bradely, Smart, Crowder, Hayward, Horford?

I haven't been able to figure it out

[jpotter33]

its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.

He coud always ask/demand/force a trade

That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.

But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?

So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.

It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that

I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron.  Danny has "only" won once as an executive.

Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.

He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.

Neither do we. Neither does Utah.

Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.

But we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does.

Besides, I only think the Riley factor would come into play if things were even, but they're far from that. We're clearly the better team right now, and we clearly have the better future. It's not even really close.

[jpotter33]

http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416

This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?

EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.

[GetLucky]

http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416

This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?

EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.

That's where Hayward's 2nd/off-season home is.

[CelticsElite]

http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody/status/881579965979836416

This is..... interesting. Why would he meet them in San Diego rather than Utah?

EDIT: Apparently he has a second home there.

the return flight to logan must have been cheaper from san Diego lol

[Kuberski33]

So if we do somehow land Hayward, do we keep Crowder?   I know he was upset about the Hayward courting before.  Do the C's keep him and just make it work, or does he get moved for a full time 4?

I think they look in a couple of different directions and see where they can get the most return.  It may make more sense long term to move Bradley.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

its just a weird decision to make to stay in Utah and basically give up your hopes of ever winning a title.

He coud always ask/demand/force a trade

That, or he may actually like the place where he was drafted and where he spent his entire NBA career so far. And coincidentally, that team can also offer him the most money. But somehow this all mean squat for some folks because he has the unique opportunity to sign with their favorite team. I mean, who wouldn't leave $50 million on the table to do that.

But the money is largely a non-factor in this particular case, because he is widely expected to sign a 3 + 1 deal, even with Utah. And he has long held that a chance to win will be his primary focus in free agency. Can you really argue that Boston isn't the clearest best fit in that regard?

So him going back to Utah is clearly not as obvious or clear as you make it out to be.

It really is hard to argue that we provide the best winning situation. I mean are people assuming Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Thomas aren't going to be better? Are people forgetting how young this team is? If Hayward wants his best shot to win he will come to Boston. I'm confident of that

I guess the counter-argument is that Riley has helped build three distinct championship teams. He got the Lakers to the Finals 9 times, he built around Wade / Shaq, and he assembled the big three headlined by Lebron.  Danny has "only" won once as an executive.

Until recently, Miami was close to a model organization. In light of some of Riley's tactics with Lebron, Wade and Bosh, though, he may be losing it a bit.

He also had the help of all-time greats in Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq, Lebron, and even Wade and Bosh. He has nothing even close to that now.

Neither do we. Neither does Utah.

Riley's selling point is that he has the best track record of acquiring those guys.

I was surprised that Miami became a player in the Hayward sweepstakes, and I don't really understand the attraction. I understand Riley's greatness as a coach and GM, and that the team improved a lot during the second half of last season, but I don't consider their roster that impressive or promising.

[Roy H.]

But we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does

Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.

[incoherent]

Im nearly positive the Miami visit is 100% agent driven. It's either a favor to the Miami FO or a tactic to keep the value of his client as high as possible.  And probably some other things I cant even fathom.

[incoherent]

But we have a much, much greater chance of getting one of those players with our assets and young players than Miami does

Maybe? Danny hasn't traded a prime asset for an impact player in 10 years, though. He ponied up a late 1st for IT, but has held onto his other draft picks even when upgrades were available.

I disagree, he traded Rondo for Crowder and Crowder is definitely an impact player IMO.