What did you think of Dunn?

[Moranis]

I never wanted him and thus far that seems to be the correct choice.  That said, I would have tried to trade the pick to a team that wanted Dunn, as I wasn't really impressed with anyone that would have been there at 3.

I think I'll have to challenge you on that sir. I have a feeling you were one of the many upset we didn't draft him. I will look back and see on the draft thread.

Go right ahead.  I was a big pro-trade guy and said if we kept the pick I would have drafted Bender as I felt he had the most upside potential of the available players (and was at a position of need). 

[Moranis]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

[tankcity!]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

[Moranis]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

For a team trying to compete that has very few interior players, Noel is a good fit.  As would Covington be and who knows what 24 and 26 could have been (maybe Brice Johnson and Pascal Siakam, maybe draft and stash).   Or maybe Boston would have been able to package those to move back up.   

Here is what I do know, Noel's career RB% is 14.6 (and it was better last year than his rookie year).  14.6 would be by far the highest of any Celtic this year.  His DRB% is 21.6 for his career, again leading the Celtics this year and his 8.3 ORB% would be behind only Zeller and Jackson this year.  Noel's career steal percentage is 2.9.  Again would be the leader on the Celtics.  Noel's career average block percent is 4.5, only Horford tops that this year. 

That is of course from a guy with 2 seasons on 2 of the worst teams in NBA history without many credible defenders playing with him.  Noel on the Celtics instantly makes him a better player and he is already a better rebounder and steal generator than anyone currently on the team and his shot blocking is right there as well. 

Noel's value is down because everyone knows Philly isn't going to pay him so they have to move him, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't immediately be the starting center on Boston, because he absolutely would be.  And that trade also would have given Boston a rotation player in Covington and two late 1sts which could have been used in a number of ways.  I understand why Ainge didn't make the trade, but I'm pretty confident that if Ainge knew how free agency would have shaken out, he would have made the trade, because Noel is exactly the type of player Boston needs especially if he thought he could have used those picks to move back up in the draft and land a player he wanted.

[hpantazo]

Ainge's main reason for not doing the Noel trade was to preserve double max cap room to get both Horford and Durant. It was worth a shot, and Noel is still very available.

[Eddie20]

Coach Bo? Has anyone heard from Coach Bo?

[alldaboston]

Coach Bo? Has anyone heard from Coach Bo?

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4215

he was online as recently as today...however his last post was almost a month ago, talking **** about RJ and young

he doesnt post when things are going well. but wait till something goes wrong, and you can bet he'll be all over this place calling for Danny to be fired and how he can do better than Danny and how we'd have another championship if he was GM.

[tankcity!]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

For a team trying to compete that has very few interior players, Noel is a good fit.  As would Covington be and who knows what 24 and 26 could have been (maybe Brice Johnson and Pascal Siakam, maybe draft and stash).   Or maybe Boston would have been able to package those to move back up.   

Here is what I do know, Noel's career RB% is 14.6 (and it was better last year than his rookie year).  14.6 would be by far the highest of any Celtic this year.  His DRB% is 21.6 for his career, again leading the Celtics this year and his 8.3 ORB% would be behind only Zeller and Jackson this year.  Noel's career steal percentage is 2.9.  Again would be the leader on the Celtics.  Noel's career average block percent is 4.5, only Horford tops that this year. 

That is of course from a guy with 2 seasons on 2 of the worst teams in NBA history without many credible defenders playing with him.  Noel on the Celtics instantly makes him a better player and he is already a better rebounder and steal generator than anyone currently on the team and his shot blocking is right there as well. 

Noel's value is down because everyone knows Philly isn't going to pay him so they have to move him, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't immediately be the starting center on Boston, because he absolutely would be.  And that trade also would have given Boston a rotation player in Covington and two late 1sts which could have been used in a number of ways.  I understand why Ainge didn't make the trade, but I'm pretty confident that if Ainge knew how free agency would have shaken out, he would have made the trade, because Noel is exactly the type of player Boston needs especially if he thought he could have used those picks to move back up in the draft and land a player he wanted.

First you just confirmed that the Celtics should overpay for Noel because they need a rim protector. Okay well Ainge would never do that so I don't agree with the if we had Horford comment. Because you know what? They can trade for Noel now. They could offer next year's brooklyn pick. But they won't, so that should be proof enough for you.

Second, Noel was top ten in DWS his rookie season so your comment about his team being garbage doesn't make any sense.

Third, the Celtics don't need Noel. They actually need a star. Noel isn't making you a championship contender and he is taking cap space away for when you have to resign him. If we get another star, we'll be fine as a team dude. Not worth trading assets away for a future Tyson Chandler when you don't even have a championship team. 

[TrueFan]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

For a team trying to compete that has very few interior players, Noel is a good fit.  As would Covington be and who knows what 24 and 26 could have been (maybe Brice Johnson and Pascal Siakam, maybe draft and stash).   Or maybe Boston would have been able to package those to move back up.   

Here is what I do know, Noel's career RB% is 14.6 (and it was better last year than his rookie year).  14.6 would be by far the highest of any Celtic this year.  His DRB% is 21.6 for his career, again leading the Celtics this year and his 8.3 ORB% would be behind only Zeller and Jackson this year.  Noel's career steal percentage is 2.9.  Again would be the leader on the Celtics.  Noel's career average block percent is 4.5, only Horford tops that this year. 

That is of course from a guy with 2 seasons on 2 of the worst teams in NBA history without many credible defenders playing with him.  Noel on the Celtics instantly makes him a better player and he is already a better rebounder and steal generator than anyone currently on the team and his shot blocking is right there as well. 

Noel's value is down because everyone knows Philly isn't going to pay him so they have to move him, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't immediately be the starting center on Boston, because he absolutely would be.  And that trade also would have given Boston a rotation player in Covington and two late 1sts which could have been used in a number of ways.  I understand why Ainge didn't make the trade, but I'm pretty confident that if Ainge knew how free agency would have shaken out, he would have made the trade, because Noel is exactly the type of player Boston needs especially if he thought he could have used those picks to move back up in the draft and land a player he wanted.

First you just confirmed that the Celtics should overpay for Noel because they need a rim protector. Okay well Ainge would never do that so I don't agree with the if we had Horford comment. Because you know what? They can trade for Noel now. They could offer next year's brooklyn pick. But they won't, so that should be proof enough for you.

Second, Noel was top ten in DWS his rookie season so your comment about his team being garbage doesn't make any sense.

Third, the Celtics don't need Noel. They actually need a star. Noel isn't making you a championship contender and he is taking cap space away for when you have to resign him. If we get another star, we'll be fine as a team dude. Not worth trading assets away for a future Tyson Chandler when you don't even have a championship team.

I sort of agree. We need a legit top 10 star to be a contender. If we landed Durant then it would had made sense to move pieces to get Noel. If we get Cousins then we should move other pieces to upgrade also.

With the way the team is right now, unless it's a steal of a trade, I'm holding onto those Nets picks and our core of youth players.

[Ilikesports17]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

For a team trying to compete that has very few interior players, Noel is a good fit.  As would Covington be and who knows what 24 and 26 could have been (maybe Brice Johnson and Pascal Siakam, maybe draft and stash).   Or maybe Boston would have been able to package those to move back up.   

Here is what I do know, Noel's career RB% is 14.6 (and it was better last year than his rookie year).  14.6 would be by far the highest of any Celtic this year.  His DRB% is 21.6 for his career, again leading the Celtics this year and his 8.3 ORB% would be behind only Zeller and Jackson this year.  Noel's career steal percentage is 2.9.  Again would be the leader on the Celtics.  Noel's career average block percent is 4.5, only Horford tops that this year. 

That is of course from a guy with 2 seasons on 2 of the worst teams in NBA history without many credible defenders playing with him.  Noel on the Celtics instantly makes him a better player and he is already a better rebounder and steal generator than anyone currently on the team and his shot blocking is right there as well. 

Noel's value is down because everyone knows Philly isn't going to pay him so they have to move him, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't immediately be the starting center on Boston, because he absolutely would be.  And that trade also would have given Boston a rotation player in Covington and two late 1sts which could have been used in a number of ways.  I understand why Ainge didn't make the trade, but I'm pretty confident that if Ainge knew how free agency would have shaken out, he would have made the trade, because Noel is exactly the type of player Boston needs especially if he thought he could have used those picks to move back up in the draft and land a player he wanted.

First you just confirmed that the Celtics should overpay for Noel because they need a rim protector. Okay well Ainge would never do that so I don't agree with the if we had Horford comment. Because you know what? They can trade for Noel now. They could offer next year's brooklyn pick. But they won't, so that should be proof enough for you.

Second, Noel was top ten in DWS his rookie season so your comment about his team being garbage doesn't make any sense.

Third, the Celtics don't need Noel. They actually need a star. Noel isn't making you a championship contender and he is taking cap space away for when you have to resign him. If we get another star, we'll be fine as a team dude. Not worth trading assets away for a future Tyson Chandler when you don't even have a championship team.

Both philly and Boston refuted draft day chatter so it's not quite confirmed that that Noel deal was on the table.

More importantly the deal didn't quite make sense. Noel and Covington made sense, but with Covington coming in the roster jam would just get worse. We were already in a situation where we had to take 2 stashes and basically give away 2 early seconds.

Why in the world would we want 2 late firsts?

The offer didn't make sense. I think it may have been fabricated.

[jbp126]

I also think the Jordan Clarkson comp is fair.  He actually has a ways to go before he's even on Clarkson's level.  I watched Dunn a decent amount for Providence and never saw the allure.  Legit size and handle but awful shot and inconsistent decision maker.  I remember laughing out loud when Chris Mannix repeatedly referred to him as a future all star.  Wonder when he'll walk back on that assessment.

[BitterJim]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.

I never claimed Butler was available.  You seem to have me confused with someone else. 

Stein from ESPN basically confirmed the trade with Philly was offered and that Boston turned it down.  Others independently supported Stein's report.  Now sure that could have been leaked by a team and was never actually offered, but it had a lot of confirmation at the time.

The thing is, if Boston trades the pick to Philly and the Sixers take Dunn at 3, there is a very real possibility that Brown would have fallen to 8.  He could have gone 4, 5, 6, or 7 of course, but looking at the teams picking, their needs, and the reports out there Brown falling to 8 was a real possibility (Phoenix at 4 seems like the most likely spot for Brown of those teams, but they liked Warren a lot and thus far Warren has been a beast).  Of course, maybe then Sacto doesn't trade the pick because they might have wanted Brown.  Obviously no one knows what might have happened, but you can't just presume Brown wouldn't have been there at 8, as he certainly could have been.

Wait a second? Are you just going to ignore my Noel point? Dude, nobody is offering anything of value for him. Many teams in the 2016 draft could've traded for him....Like you just want to the Celtics to accept the deal even though it isn't a good offer? Why kind of GM does that?

Does it not matter that Noel is an average rebounder? Does it not matter the gets hurt? Does it not matter that he is going to be a RFA and you can offer him the max if you want to? Can you please explain to me why you want Noel? Do you want me to repost the stats that show Noel is an overrated defender thus far in his career? That he doesn't even get blocks? Steals are his best attribute. That is def true. But he is an average player at this point.

Here is my post on Noel below.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87032.msg2162236#msg2162236

For a team trying to compete that has very few interior players, Noel is a good fit.  As would Covington be and who knows what 24 and 26 could have been (maybe Brice Johnson and Pascal Siakam, maybe draft and stash).   Or maybe Boston would have been able to package those to move back up.   

Here is what I do know, Noel's career RB% is 14.6 (and it was better last year than his rookie year).  14.6 would be by far the highest of any Celtic this year.  His DRB% is 21.6 for his career, again leading the Celtics this year and his 8.3 ORB% would be behind only Zeller and Jackson this year.  Noel's career steal percentage is 2.9.  Again would be the leader on the Celtics.  Noel's career average block percent is 4.5, only Horford tops that this year. 

That is of course from a guy with 2 seasons on 2 of the worst teams in NBA history without many credible defenders playing with him.  Noel on the Celtics instantly makes him a better player and he is already a better rebounder and steal generator than anyone currently on the team and his shot blocking is right there as well. 

Noel's value is down because everyone knows Philly isn't going to pay him so they have to move him, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't immediately be the starting center on Boston, because he absolutely would be.  And that trade also would have given Boston a rotation player in Covington and two late 1sts which could have been used in a number of ways.  I understand why Ainge didn't make the trade, but I'm pretty confident that if Ainge knew how free agency would have shaken out, he would have made the trade, because Noel is exactly the type of player Boston needs especially if he thought he could have used those picks to move back up in the draft and land a player he wanted.

First you just confirmed that the Celtics should overpay for Noel because they need a rim protector. Okay well Ainge would never do that so I don't agree with the if we had Horford comment. Because you know what? They can trade for Noel now. They could offer next year's brooklyn pick. But they won't, so that should be proof enough for you.

Second, Noel was top ten in DWS his rookie season so your comment about his team being garbage doesn't make any sense.

Third, the Celtics don't need Noel. They actually need a star. Noel isn't making you a championship contender and he is taking cap space away for when you have to resign him. If we get another star, we'll be fine as a team dude. Not worth trading assets away for a future Tyson Chandler when you don't even have a championship team.

Both philly and Boston refuted draft day chatter so it's not quite confirmed that that Noel deal was on the table.

More importantly the deal didn't quite make sense. Noel and Covington made sense, but with Covington coming in the roster jam would just get worse. We were already in a situation where we had to take 2 stashes and basically give away 2 early seconds.

Why in the world would we want 2 late firsts?

The offer didn't make sense. I think it may have been fabricated.

Exactly.  Even if the return is fair (which is debatable), it's exact kind of quality-for-quantity deal that we need to avoid right now.  We need top-tier talent, not a bunch more bench players

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I never wanted him and thus far that seems to be the correct choice.  That said, I would have tried to trade the pick to a team that wanted Dunn, as I wasn't really impressed with anyone that would have been there at 3.

I agree, in that I never wanted him, but glad the C's stuck with Brown.

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Did not want Dunn,  but wanted him as trade bait for other teams assets.

I definelety think Brown is the better upside and player .

But I guess the next question .....  would we rather have Brown than Oakafor or Nerlins .

I'm undecided yet .

[TheSundanceKid]

Did not want Dunn,  but wanted him as trade bait for other teams assets.

I definelety think Brown is the better upside and player .

But I guess the next question .....  would we rather have Brown than Oakafor or Nerlins .

I'm undecided yet .

Giving the 76ers Brown for Noel would be more of a fleecing than the Nets trade. No way we do that. Okafor is more level but I still wouldn't want to trade Brown for him