What did you think of Dunn?

[Granath]

I'm on record as being anti-Dunn. Given his age I felt he needed to be a complete product coming out of college and he wasn't. I didn't like his shot and felt his playmaking abilities were overstated given the large number of TOs he made in college. He had great length but wasn't the athlete Jaylen is. I still feel he'll be a solid player in the NBA but he was the wrong player for us. He wasn't going to take IT's job or Bradley's job nor do I think he'll be a star - thus he was the wrong pick for us at #3.

[ederson]

I did not want Dunn, I did want Bender. Interesting to see how quick people were to call us out on Bender yet they are remaining oddly silent over Dunn's sluggish progress...

apples and oranges ...

[moiso]

I did not want Dunn, I did want Bender. Interesting to see how quick people were to call us out on Bender yet they are remaining oddly silent over Dunn's sluggish progress...

Ultimately I'm very happy we took Brown. He looks like the 3rd best player in the draft at least, very bright future for him

You wanted to draft "Ainge's biggest mistake?"    I had an open mind with regard to a few guys, but Bender was probably the one I would have been most satisfied with.  And like Casperian said, Dunn was supposed to be NBA ready.  And after a couple very good summer league games people blew his potential out of proportion.  At this point in time, I'd be much rather have Bender than Dunn.

[SHAQATTACK]

He looked 28 .

His legs may not last..

[hwangjini_1]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

Not to derail the thread, but how years of tanking did it take for philly to acquire the two players + "eh" you mention. For me, philly is proof that relying so heavily upon the draft is way too risky and too inflexible an approach to a complete rebuild.

[TheSundanceKid]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

Not to derail the thread, but how years of tanking did it take for philly to acquire the two players + "eh" you mention. For me, philly is proof that relying so heavily upon the draft is way too risky and too inflexible an approach to a complete rebuild.

There are many reasons why the tank went on so long but imagine if Embiid was healthy earlier? I think their trajectory would have been quite different if he was

[Moranis]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

[Moranis]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3. 

That's a decent amount of talent but Boston has zero need for anymore picks in the 20s, Covington is just a guy and Noel has to either get an extension next season or play on his qualifying offer.  The offer doesn't really fit where Boston is right now.

That's where Philly hurt themselves by stripping out every single decent player on their roster.  If they had still had Thaddeus Young, pairing him with Noel and Covington in exhange for #3, Rozier, James Young and Hunter would probably have been more tempting for Ainge.

Mike

Sure, which is why I mentioned the possibility of moving back up with some of the picks.  Or trading a pick for a player.  Or just taking a couple of more stashes.  I think Noel would fit in well here and I like Covington.  Would have been a nice back-up to Crowder with some ability to play the small ball 4.  At the time though without Horford, I get why Ainge doesn't make the trade, but looking back on it if Ainge knew Horford was going to sign, I think he makes that trade because it is a win now type trade, but one that isn't at the expense of the future as Noel and Covington are both still pretty young.

[Who]

I liked Dunn. He has got a lot of tools. Can make a lot of different types of plays. I like his defense. He rebounds. He can drive and get inside a defense. He can pass. His scoring and shooting has been fairly dreadful. And he is inconsistent as most rookies are but there are a lot of positive things going for him.

I think Dunn can be a top 10 PG in the league in a few years time.

[tankcity!]

I had Brown over him. I wasn't a fan of Dunn because of his age. If I recall correctly, Lbrrd was down on him as well. Same with Hield.

[tankcity!]

Jordan Clarkson, backup pg for the Lakers.

I think this is a pretty fair comp. I can't believe there were scouts comparing him to Wall. Just insane.

[tankcity!]

I never wanted him and thus far that seems to be the correct choice.  That said, I would have tried to trade the pick to a team that wanted Dunn, as I wasn't really impressed with anyone that would have been there at 3.

I think I'll have to challenge you on that sir. I have a feeling you were one of the many upset we didn't draft him. I will look back and see on the draft thread.

[tazzmaniac]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

Not to derail the thread, but how years of tanking did it take for philly to acquire the two players + "eh" you mention. For me, philly is proof that relying so heavily upon the draft is way too risky and too inflexible an approach to a complete rebuild.

Relying on the draft is by far the best and least risky approach for a complete rebuild.  The draft is mostly under your own control.  Trades and free agency are not and they require a much bigger commitment.  How much longer do we have to wait for Ainge to trade for a star?  When will a star even become available?  How much are we going to have to give up to get the star and will we have enough left to contend after the trade?  What if the star leaves after a couple years when their contract is up?  We finally get someone good in free agency.  Yea!!!  Except he's 30 with an injury history and on a big contract (nearly 30% of our cap space).  He also doesn't make us a true contender so we need another big acquisition.   

After 3 years of tanking, the Sixers have 2 young stars to build around who they'll be able to retain for many years.  Okafor and Saric are at least solid bench players.  They have young prospects (Luwawu and Kormaz).  They have all their own 1st rounders plus the Lakers and Kings 1st rounders.  To top it off they have the best cap space in the league.  If Embiid hadn't suffered the re-injury, the Sixers tank would have just been 2 years and they'd probably be building around Embiid and Porzingas instead.  Their approach involved relatively little risk and lots of potential at the cost of a whole lot of losing. 

[slamtheking]

I didn't see the fascination for Dunn.  Good college player but didn't understand why he was projected as high as #3.  Wanted to trade the pick for an established all-star but having kept the pick, I think Brown was a solid choice.

I think Dunn will have a solid pro career but I don't think he's all-star material.  probably end up being a deluxe version of MCW.

[tankcity!]

rozier may be better.

Rozier IS better....but we could have traded Dunn for a lot...Everyone was on his jock---I don't see why though..Danny made the right choice. Brown just turned 20--he'll be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure Dunn would have yielded a lot. Dunn + Crowder + Smart + Brooklyn picks would have yielded a good player.

Noel, Covington, 24, and 26 is a pretty decent haul.  That was rumored to have been offered for 3.  Not sure what else might have been out there, but that would have been decent.  That trade might have also given Boston enough ammunition to acquire 8 from Sacto with the added 1st rounders (something like 16, 23, 24, and 35 might have topped Phoenix's offer of 13, 28. Bogdanovic, and 2020 2nd).

Only time will tell, but I think Brown will be better. A future all star imo. So that's a dumb trade imo for a guy who can't rebound as bitterjim has already laid out. I'm glad Danny is GM.

Sixers have Simmons and Embiid. The rest are eh. I think Okafor would be amazing if he wasn't so slow on defense. Effort seems to be more of the issue. If he can improve in that, then they got themselves another stud.

what if Brown was there at 8?

He wasn't so it doesn't matter. All these rumors you are talking about...You don't even know if they are true. If Dunn was so valuable, why didn't Phoenix trade the pick to Chicago? Or Minnesota? They couldn't use Butler.

Get over it, Butler wasn't as available as you claim. And nobody wants Noel. This has been proven since Sixers have been offered poo poo for him.