A Lot Of Our Size Will Be "Walking Away" In Free Agency...

[pearljammer10]

If Amir, Jonas and Kelly walk that's just three open roster spots to upgrade our big men depth.

[tazzmaniac]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

[IDreamCeltics]

Honestly, given what we have seen so far, how could any sane person be upset with our size walking?   We need upgrades there badly.

I second this, all of our bigs except Horford are either backups or end of the bench/non-factor type players.

[Phantom255x]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

[tazzmaniac]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

[OHCeltic]

Let all the bigs walk. We need to upgrade badly. Only big keeper is Horford.

[Chris22]

Not walking away. Allowed to leave.

[BitterJim]

As long as we aren't losing a lot of out talent, I have no problem watching our size walk away. All our bigs except Horford (and possibly KO) are very replaceable

[Eja117]

If I'm not mistaken, Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko will walk and probably get larger contracts with other teams.

There's a chance KO leaves as well if the C's don't reach an extension with him.

One can only hope

[86MaxwellSmart]

Well...when Avery Bradley is leading the team in rebounding---these guys can't walk away fast enough-!

[LarBrd33]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

we could afford Hayward.  I've done the math.  You aren't considering what we'd need to trade out to acquire Noel.  He isn't going to just appear on our team out of nowhere.

Bottom line is that Noel wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract.

[alldaboston]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

we could afford Hayward.  I've done the math.  You aren't considering what we'd need to trade out to acquire Noel.  He isn't going to just appear on our team out of nowhere.

Bottom line is that Noel wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract.

still have money for a max contract for Noel? Or a max contract for someone else after Noel signs his max contract?

[max215]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

we could afford Hayward.  I've done the math.  You aren't considering what we'd need to trade out to acquire Noel.  He isn't going to just appear on our team out of nowhere.

Bottom line is that Noel wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract.

You're overlooking the new RFA system.

[tazzmaniac]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

we could afford Hayward.  I've done the math.  You aren't considering what we'd need to trade out to acquire Noel.  He isn't going to just appear on our team out of nowhere.

Bottom line is that Noel wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract.

Noel only make 4.3M so we wouldn't have to trade out much.  Depending on who was part of the trade, it might just free up enough to afford 25%Max but it might not.  No way we free up enough in a Noel trade to have 30M available cap space. 

[LooseCannon]

The C's should be looking to make a trade that brings back some real size before this season is over. Be it someone who can defend the rim like Nerlens or a bruiser who can help on the boards like Vucevic, they need to be looking at trades before we ever get to free agency.

If you get Nerlens or Bogut, they would be rentals only.

nerlens wouldn't be a rental.  He's a restricted free agent.  We could give him his qualifying offer this summer and even with the cap hold of 11 mil we could target a max free agent before extending Noel

No we wouldn't have room for a max free agent.   62.4M committed to 8 players plus 11M Noel cap hold plus 5M Nets pick cap hold (assumes 5th or 6th pick) plus Covington's 1M option puts us at 79.4M or so for 11 players.  That assumes the options for Zeller and Mickey aren't picked up and Olynyk is released.  With the cap at 102/103M, we'd be around a couple million short of the 25%Max players and not close to 30%Max that Griffin will get.   

At this point, I think there's zero chance on Griffin.

He loves LA and they are currently a TOP-3 team in the league..

I agree.  Just used Griffin because he gets mentioned a lot and is clearly going to get 30%Max.  We couldn't afford Hayward either but I'm not sure that he'll get 30%Max or just close to it.   

we could afford Hayward.  I've done the math.  You aren't considering what we'd need to trade out to acquire Noel.  He isn't going to just appear on our team out of nowhere.

Bottom line is that Noel wouldn't be a rental.  We could acquire him and still have money for a max contract.

Nerlens Noel seems like the kind of player who could be given a huge offer sheet on the first day of free agency.  If he gets a bigger offer than Biyombo got this summer, is he signing it?  I would guess that he would.  If he does, would you match?  If he was a Celtic and Ainge was known to be shopping for a max free agent, if another GM covets Noel, he will pounce and offer that sort of deal because he knows the Celtics will have a hard time matching.

So, if you trade for Noel, you should already have an idea of how well Noel has to play for you to be willing to match a 4 year, $80 million offer sheet that Noel signs on day one.  How much you are willing to give up in a trade should depend on that.  If you think it is highly unlikely that you would match, then you should only give up the assets that are commensurate with the idea of treating him as a rental.  If it depends on being able to sign a top free agent quickly, then maybe you can give up a bit more, depending on how likely you can do that.