Celtics (3-3) at Wizards (1-5) Game #7 11/9/16

[mr. dee]

I'd like to add another big man.  I think most people do.  It's about the price though probably.  After Horford we are really lacking there.  Hopefully Kelly does well.  Zeller and Amir have really shown very little so far.  Mickey hasn't done much either.

T-Rob is rotting on the Laker's bench. I think he is very affordable at this point and would cost almost nothing.

I'm a fan of his.  Hustle guy too. He always seems to play well then disapear.  I don't know if it's just playing time or what.

He's much better interior presence than any on our guys right now. He's a beast on boards and a double-double machine when given playing time. I would happily trade both Zeller and Jerebko for him right now.

[Kuberski33]

questions to ponder at this point:
- did we overachieve last year leading to overestimating what the team could achieve this year?
- Were Sully and Turner bigger pieces of this team's ability to win than many people gave them credit for?
- are we just plain mediocre?

Turner just wasn't appreciated by Celtics fans.  The guy was a terrific player, especially last season. Right now all we have is 3 pt shooters and finesse bigs.  IT is the only player who can score off the dribble and no one gets to the line consistently, both of which Turner could do.
Sully was their best rebounder by far.

They couldn't do anything about Portland overpaying for Turner but the rebounding problem is 100% on Danny.

[Kuberski33]

Waive Young and go sign Kendrick Perkins till you can find a better option.  It's an easy move with no long term implications and gives you a short term fix.  Perk's non-existent offense won't be a factor because all we do is launch 3's anyway.

[liam]

Go sign Josh Smith. He can rebound defend and block shots. Smith is perfect buy low/Danny Ange kinda guy and he's only 30.

[Tr1boy]

I blame Danny and CBS for the mess this team is in right now

[Denis998]

On a side note, Smart called Wall a "little guard" in the post game presser.

[JOMVP]

Yikes. Didn't get to watch the game. Was fully expecting a Celtics victory.... Wizards were looking like one of the worst teams in basketball this year. We're in trouble.

[saltlover]

The biggest thing that stood out to me from being at the game was not the rebounding, but the off-ball defense.  Brown, Green, and Rozier kept losing their man.  They'd go to help, turn around, and suddenly someone (most often Porter) would be 10 feet away, and would either knock down the open 3 or blow by the defender to get to the hoop.  Green was the worst in my opinion, but all three got lost out there.  The bad perimeter defense led to more than one offensive board when the big came to help, leaving a pretty easy weak side rebound for a Wizard.

Brown will get better I assume, being only two weeks into his NBA career.  Rozier I'm disappointed in.  Green looks as bad as RJ Hunter and James Young.  Once Crowder is back, I hope he's out of the rotation.  He's a defenisve liability that wasn't remotely helpful on offense.

Olynyk looked very rusty/unsure on offense, but his defensive positioning has improved so much.  I remember going to a Wizards-Celtics game a couple of years ago where he made Kris Humphries look like Tim Duncan.  Today he was almost always in the correct spot defensively.  That's nice to see for his first game in six months.

Assuming Crowder and Horford come back soon, I'm not too worried about this team.  I do wish Stevens would cease playing Green.

[alldaboston]

The biggest thing that stood out to me from being at the game was not the rebounding, but the off-ball defense.  Brown, Green, and Rozier kept losing their man.  They'd go to help, turn around, and suddenly someone (most often Porter) would be 10 feet away, and would either knock down the open 3 or blow by the defender to get to the hoop.  Green was the worst in my opinion, but all three got lost out there.  The bad perimeter defense led to more than one offensive board when the big came to help, leaving a pretty easy weak side rebound for a Wizard.

Brown will get better I assume, being only two weeks into his NBA career.  Rozier I'm disappointed in.  Green looks as bad as RJ Hunter and James Young.  Once Crowder is back, I hope he's out of the rotation.  He's a defenisve liability that wasn't remotely helpful on offense.

Olynyk looked very rusty/unsure on offense, but his defensive positioning has improved so much.  I remember going to a Wizards-Celtics game a couple of years ago where he made Kris Humphries look like Tim Duncan.  Today he was almost always in the correct spot defensively.  That's nice to see for his first game in six months.

Assuming Crowder and Horford come back soon, I'm not too worried about this team.  I do wish Stevens would cease playing Green.

I think Zeller and Green will take the biggest hit in minutes when we're at full healthy. Maybe Rozier too. Kelly looked solid too. His shot will come, but his positioning was good. We actually looked fairly competent when he was in the game. Am I crazy, or do you think he should start instead of Zeller next game? (assuming Horford is still out)

[saltlover]

The biggest thing that stood out to me from being at the game was not the rebounding, but the off-ball defense.  Brown, Green, and Rozier kept losing their man.  They'd go to help, turn around, and suddenly someone (most often Porter) would be 10 feet away, and would either knock down the open 3 or blow by the defender to get to the hoop.  Green was the worst in my opinion, but all three got lost out there.  The bad perimeter defense led to more than one offensive board when the big came to help, leaving a pretty easy weak side rebound for a Wizard.

Brown will get better I assume, being only two weeks into his NBA career.  Rozier I'm disappointed in.  Green looks as bad as RJ Hunter and James Young.  Once Crowder is back, I hope he's out of the rotation.  He's a defenisve liability that wasn't remotely helpful on offense.

Olynyk looked very rusty/unsure on offense, but his defensive positioning has improved so much.  I remember going to a Wizards-Celtics game a couple of years ago where he made Kris Humphries look like Tim Duncan.  Today he was almost always in the correct spot defensively.  That's nice to see for his first game in six months.

Assuming Crowder and Horford come back soon, I'm not too worried about this team.  I do wish Stevens would cease playing Green.

I think Zeller and Green will take the biggest hit in minutes when we're at full healthy. Maybe Rozier too. Kelly looked solid too. His shot will come, but his positioning was good. We actually looked fairly competent when he was in the game. Am I crazy, or do you think he should start instead of Zeller next game? (assuming Horford is still out)

I think the starting lineup should be what Stevens started the second half with -- IT, Bradley, Smart, Olynyk, Amir.  (Until Horford and Crowder are back.)

[alldaboston]

The biggest thing that stood out to me from being at the game was not the rebounding, but the off-ball defense.  Brown, Green, and Rozier kept losing their man.  They'd go to help, turn around, and suddenly someone (most often Porter) would be 10 feet away, and would either knock down the open 3 or blow by the defender to get to the hoop.  Green was the worst in my opinion, but all three got lost out there.  The bad perimeter defense led to more than one offensive board when the big came to help, leaving a pretty easy weak side rebound for a Wizard.

Brown will get better I assume, being only two weeks into his NBA career.  Rozier I'm disappointed in.  Green looks as bad as RJ Hunter and James Young.  Once Crowder is back, I hope he's out of the rotation.  He's a defenisve liability that wasn't remotely helpful on offense.

Olynyk looked very rusty/unsure on offense, but his defensive positioning has improved so much.  I remember going to a Wizards-Celtics game a couple of years ago where he made Kris Humphries look like Tim Duncan.  Today he was almost always in the correct spot defensively.  That's nice to see for his first game in six months.

Assuming Crowder and Horford come back soon, I'm not too worried about this team.  I do wish Stevens would cease playing Green.

I think Zeller and Green will take the biggest hit in minutes when we're at full healthy. Maybe Rozier too. Kelly looked solid too. His shot will come, but his positioning was good. We actually looked fairly competent when he was in the game. Am I crazy, or do you think he should start instead of Zeller next game? (assuming Horford is still out)

I think the starting lineup should be what Stevens started the second half with -- IT, Bradley, Smart, Olynyk, Amir.  (Until Horford and Crowder are back.)

sounds good to me

[jpotter33]

The biggest thing that stood out to me from being at the game was not the rebounding, but the off-ball defense.  Brown, Green, and Rozier kept losing their man.  They'd go to help, turn around, and suddenly someone (most often Porter) would be 10 feet away, and would either knock down the open 3 or blow by the defender to get to the hoop.  Green was the worst in my opinion, but all three got lost out there.  The bad perimeter defense led to more than one offensive board when the big came to help, leaving a pretty easy weak side rebound for a Wizard.

Brown will get better I assume, being only two weeks into his NBA career.  Rozier I'm disappointed in.  Green looks as bad as RJ Hunter and James Young.  Once Crowder is back, I hope he's out of the rotation.  He's a defenisve liability that wasn't remotely helpful on offense.

Olynyk looked very rusty/unsure on offense, but his defensive positioning has improved so much.  I remember going to a Wizards-Celtics game a couple of years ago where he made Kris Humphries look like Tim Duncan.  Today he was almost always in the correct spot defensively.  That's nice to see for his first game in six months.

Assuming Crowder and Horford come back soon, I'm not too worried about this team.  I do wish Stevens would cease playing Green.

I think Zeller and Green will take the biggest hit in minutes when we're at full healthy. Maybe Rozier too. Kelly looked solid too. His shot will come, but his positioning was good. We actually looked fairly competent when he was in the game. Am I crazy, or do you think he should start instead of Zeller next game? (assuming Horford is still out)

I think the starting lineup should be what Stevens started the second half with -- IT, Bradley, Smart, Olynyk, Amir.  (Until Horford and Crowder are back.)

Got to have KO and Horford, right? Amir is hardly doing anything out there, so he might as well be on the bench and let KO have the 4, which would put Horford back to his natural position of center.

[trickybilly]

Green sure is not Turner...

[SHAQATTACK]

Without Al. ,  this team is too thin in front court talent.   

[Celtics4ever]

There are teams built to crush small ball teams.   I think it works well as a change of momentum but as a main strategy, I think it is a folly.  You have to have small ball guys who can board.