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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2016, 08:41:52 PM »

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Howard went bye bye. So did love. etc, etc.  Our interior defense still sucks.

Noel to me is the most attainable guy.  Maybe it's Okafor.  But I more think we'd really have to pay for Boogie. Noel I think a deal can be made if we just sweeten it.

People are so hung up on these brooklyn picks. I can understand why but at the same time if it saves us cap room and we still have the 18 I would consider it.

I made my case where and why i'd trade for Love too.  Deandre same thing.  Boogie etc.  There are only so many big men in the nba that are even available.

I really think some fans are living in lala land.  Honey nut cheerios.

We aren't getting Noel for Rozier and the memphis pick.
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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2016, 08:58:27 PM »

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Howard went bye bye. So did love. etc, etc.  Our interior defense still sucks.

Noel to me is the most attainable guy.  Maybe it's Okafor.  But I more think we'd really have to pay for Boogie. Noel I think a deal can be made if we just sweeten it.

People are so hung up on these brooklyn picks. I can understand why but at the same time if it saves us cap room and we still have the 18 I would consider it.

I made my case where and why i'd trade for Love too.  Deandre same thing.  Boogie etc.  There are only so many big men in the nba that are even available.

I really think some fans are living in lala land.  Honey nut cheerios.

We aren't getting Noel for Rozier and the memphis pick.
many people, including 76ers fans, think philly would do that immediately. Not sure why that puts everyone in la la land.

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2016, 09:00:20 PM »

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Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 
Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.
I do think Noel will be before the deadline.  However if he isn't I'm less sure that he'll get near-Max contract.  This summer every team had cap space and a lot of teams spent theirs.  There are going to be a lot less teams able to offer big contracts next summer.  Which teams that will have near-max cap space are going to offer it to Noel? 

The difference with Turner was that he wasn't a RFA.  Clarkson who was a RFA ended up signing a much more reasonable 4yr/50M.

After a quick glance, it looks like potential teams that could reasonably go after him for decent sized offers are Boston, Brooklyn, Lakers, Suns, New Orleans, and Spurs. I think the first five teams especially will go after him hard and have the cap space to make him a big to max/near-max offer.

What also helps his case is that this free agent class is very limited on bogs. Hoopshype had him as the number 10 free agent on the market, and the only other two bigs before him are Griffin and old Milsap. If nothing happens this season, I expect us to go after Griffin hard, but I don't see him signing here. So at that point, what do we do? Sign Hayward? Honestly doesn't really help us with the big position, and I ultimately think he's redundant with Crowder on a much greater contract.

Outside of a Boogie trade, KO improvement, or some other trade for a big, Noel is really the best bet we have for upgrading our front court.
Brooklyn has Lopez for another year.  I'd expect they'd try to use their cap space to upgrade other positions but they might fallback to Noel.  Lakers would have Mozgov signed for 3 more years but maybe they'd go after Noel.  NOP could use Noel but he'd use up their available cap space and Holiday and Evans aren't under contract next year.  Spurs won't have the cap space unless Gasol opts out which is unlikely.  Celtics and Suns would seem the most likely.  I'd add the Mavs as a possibility.     

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2016, 09:00:25 PM »

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Then why hasn't that deal been made?  I get we just have to play better and more physical and might like rozier. 

These rumors keep coming and going.

Zeller just has to play better and we have to be more physical as a team.  We are missing Crowder and Horford right now so it's even more glaring.

If the C's like Noel though and just want to wait for hte offseason to try to sign him I can understand that.  I think any team outbids philly they can match. Noel does not want to be there.

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2016, 09:02:42 PM »

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Amir is not a long term solution. He is ok for now but he's gone after this year.  Jerebko we might extend.  Zizic or someone is going to replace Amir after this year. Zeller has to step up right now.

Noel makes sense because he's a more long term solution to Amir. I'd rather other players but Noel fits.  HE can definately block shots.  HIs rebounding isn't bad either.

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2016, 09:07:58 PM »

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C's are just waitng until all the cards drop imo. Ainge always does something no one expects in the end.  We can possibly trade smart etc for deandre.  Boogie etc... These rumors just come and go.

It's the media speculating and they really don't know.  It's a whole lot of nothing.

Honestly though Amir and Zeller are really bad right now. They have to either play better and some wakeup call happens or they just suck and we have to make a trade for someone better.

If we can get Noel for Rozier and the Memphis pick and Ainge is sitting on his hands I have to question that a bit. There's always better etc, etc but eh. Maybe Mickey will step up.  I'm not a fan of trading for the sake of trading myself but that's a deal that is hard to pass up.
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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2016, 09:24:28 PM »

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Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 
Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.


I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.
They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?
If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right?
Yes.  Exactly.  Harris didn't fit into their long-term vision.  It made more sense to retain him and trade him later for whatever they could get.  Letting him walk for nothing was bad business.  Same situation here.

That said, I expect Noel to be moved before the deadline.  It just might be closer to February than November.
It was different with Harris due to the size of max contracts.

Harris could not be signed for more than 16 mil. With the foreseen cap inflation Orlando knew that no matter what they paid Tobias Harris, it would be under his market value. Thus they brought him back and his contract became a plus. Unfortunately despite his plus contract and the fact that the Magic actually kinda did have room for him on the roster, other teams took advantage of the Magic's need to trade Tobias Harris and the Magic got absolutely ripped off.

Same type of thing could happen with Noel. Difference is, Philly will have even less leverage and with the no-longer inflating cap (i read it will actually deflate a bit) along with Noels injury history, it could well become a really difficult contract to move.

In fact, I think Noel would rather sign the QO and get to leave as a UFA rather than resign in which case hed be an expiring without RFA rights on a team that he hates being on with a bunch of other bigs that also hate that he is on the team.

Thats not a great business decision for Philly.

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2016, 09:40:59 PM »

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Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 
Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.


I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.
They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

If he signs a big contract this offseason they match him just to be stubborn? Is this what you are suggesting?
If someone is willing to give him a big contract, it proves there's a big market for him.  So yeah, you'd have to match and then shop him later.

The magic sort of did this with Tobias Harris right?
Yes.  Exactly.  Harris didn't fit into their long-term vision.  It made more sense to retain him and trade him later for whatever they could get.  Letting him walk for nothing was bad business.  Same situation here.

That said, I expect Noel to be moved before the deadline.  It just might be closer to February than November.
It was different with Harris due to the size of max contracts.

Harris could not be signed for more than 16 mil. With the foreseen cap inflation Orlando knew that no matter what they paid Tobias Harris, it would be under his market value. Thus they brought him back and his contract became a plus. Unfortunately despite his plus contract and the fact that the Magic actually kinda did have room for him on the roster, other teams took advantage of the Magic's need to trade Tobias Harris and the Magic got absolutely ripped off.

Same type of thing could happen with Noel. Difference is, Philly will have even less leverage and with the no-longer inflating cap (i read it will actually deflate a bit) along with Noels injury history, it could well become a really difficult contract to move.

In fact, I think Noel would rather sign the QO and get to leave as a UFA rather than resign in which case hed be an expiring without RFA rights on a team that he hates being on with a bunch of other bigs that also hate that he is on the team.

Thats not a great business decision for Philly.
yeah it is funny that Harris was held up as a success story for the magic. They got garbage for him.

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2016, 10:36:29 PM »

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Noel is rehabbing a knee right now, so he's unavailable short range. In my view, Ainge should have pulled the trigger already for this guy, but maybe the price was too high. I can't believe he is satisfied with the status quo. Starting Zeller is a one way ticket to Palookaville. LOL. Stevens needs to get out of his x's and o's.

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« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2016, 10:36:32 PM »

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Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.
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« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2016, 10:38:40 PM »

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Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.

Yeah, you have to think that Brooklyn, LAL, and Phoenix will all give him a pretty serious deal. The best bet would be to trade for him and make it known that we'll match anything on him. Perhaps that will discourage some teams from making offers for him, though I bet they still would just to be ****s.
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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2016, 10:47:18 PM »

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Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.

Seems like too much to me, especially considering 6 year deals are not allowed and Nerlens is not eligible for anywhere near $140 million.
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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2016, 10:47:46 PM »

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Of the 30 teams in the NBA, I would think there are prob 10 teams willing to give Noel north of $17m per year and at least 3 willing to go north of $20m. I think he signs for 6 years and $140m. I think I'd pass on that.
There are no 6 year contracts,  Whichever team has his contract can offer 5 years, everyone else can just offer 4 years.  There aren't going to be 10 teams that both need a center and have the cap space to pay that much to Noel. 

Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2016, 10:49:40 PM »

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I'm meh on Noel.

I couldn't care less if we didn't get him, but would like him on the team. Just depends on how much he really wants, and if he'd be willing to take a hometown discount.
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Re: Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel
« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2016, 12:06:39 AM »

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Noel is good. I'm pretty meh on him too.
Don't see what all the hype is about.

Everytime I watch him it seems as though his hands are terrible around the basket on offense.
Is he any better than Amir Johnson? (ableit younger).
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