Washburn : C's interested in Nerlens Noel

[Big333223]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Why would any team pay any more than 50 cents / dollar? 

If Philly wants anything in return, they'll take Rozier and the pick.  What other deals are out there?

That, and Rozier is a perfect fit for a young Philly team.

Noel will be a RFA so he can't just walk.  The Sixers or whichever team owns his contract will be able to match any offers.  If the Sixers are getting lowball offers, there is no reason for them not to wait until the deadline to see if some team gets desperate and bumps up their offer. 

How is Rozier a perfect fit for the Sixers?  How does he compliment Simmons and Embiid?  The 2017 draft is PG heavy so they'd just draft somebody younger and better than Rozier.

he appears to be a quite capable shooter when hes open. He defends point gaurds, has the length to switch onto 2s could presumably run pick and roll, and is just a solid young gaurd.

He fits them quite well. He also seems to be the type to fit next to just about any gaurd (assuming he reaches his potential).

He's also a PG that can work off the ball, which is good for Simmons.

[LarBrd33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

[flybono]

I have an idea, "let's just keep waiting for next year" and the year after and the year after that..

[walker834]

I think the difference is with Amir and Jerebko expiring we can offer big money for a guy like noel and outbid them where they don't match.  I don't think we want to do that though. The way contracts are in the league, I was just reading Cody Zeller got 56 mil over 4 years. 

If we trade for him we can sign Noel to a much more reasonable contract. 

I value guys like smart, bradley, brown as key cogs to our future.  I know people think i'm nuts but i value those guys more than the nets pick next  year right this second. I value marcus more than that pick. 

In order to get Noel if he is the guy we want we are going to have to give up something or sweeten it somehow.

Is trading the brooklyn pick for him a good idea?  I don't know I'm not sold Noel is the guy but it's going to take some sort of sweetener to get Philly to deal him to us.

Trading Smart for Deandre is another option but who knows if the clippers will even do this. 

There really aren't any big men I can see either in next years draft that are better than these guys i can see. There also aren't any guards or sf's that are better than just contuing to develop Smart and Brown.

That is my whole stance on this thing.  I would consider trading Rozier plus sweetening the memphis pick somehow for Noel.

I'd rather have the 18 nets pick plus cap room over paying Noel big money this offseason. Over trading Smart, Brown or Bradley. Just look at Bradley.  He's gotten better.  So will Smart and Brown if they play and are allowed to develop.

Ainge is a stickler for not making bad trades but we are going to get to the point where we are going to start losing guys and aren't that good.  there are other ways, other players to trade for in this league where we possibly could get someone for  Rozier and the memphis pick or whatever,  but that's the way I see it. Find me one and then we can talk.

These later picks are just chips where we are going to need to combine them with someone it seems.

[jpotter33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

[walker834]

It's something like this or offer the brooklyn picks for someone like Boogie and I don't think the celtics even want to do that.

Amir and Jerebko are expiring if I'm not mistaken where we can offer big money for Noel but I don't think we want to do that.   Zeller has another year.

[KG Living Legend]

 Washburn's reporting is like saying that I'm interested in dating Rhianna.

[celticsclay]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

[D Dub]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

Exactly.  Especially with the cap going up again, he's likely to get multiple near-max offers. 

If Philly was intent on keeping him, they would have avoided that scenario and extended him.  Their intent is clear, and like it or not Rozier plus a pick is the best deal on the table. 

They'll cave. 
With Embiid playing so well, I'm sure the FO would like to start fast tracking things.  With some savvy moves, they could be a pretty good team one year from now.  But moving a center is not an option for them, it's a must. 

[walker834]

That's basically it.  We are in a holding pattern until someone caves pretty much or he just goes elsewhere.

[LarBrd33]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

Plus, they'll ruin their relationship with virtually every agent and player in the league by doing that. That's just not how it works in the NBA where relationships are important.

I am not sure if LB was joking or not, but yes the idea of the 76ers keeping him in purgatory for 2 years in the hope of getting a slightly better asset for him (this year and next year on a qualifying option) is not how the NBA works. He doesn't want to be there and they are not going to want to keep a guy around that doesn't want to be there.

These things have a way of working themselves out, but the idea that he is staying there (bothering serious embiid setback and an okafor trade) is not how it will.

They either take what they can get or keep him.   There's no scenario where letting him walk for nothing is a better move than cashing in.  Multiple teams including the Celtics are willing to give up assets for Noel.  You don't pass up free assets.  Bottom line.

[TrueFan]

That's basically it.  We are in a holding pattern until someone caves pretty much or he just goes elsewhere.

I feel like Noel completes this team. We will still be worse then the Cavs and Warriors but a player like Noel would let our team reach its full potential. He fills a glaring need for the Celtics. I would definitely cave if I was Danny.

[D Dub]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Why would any team pay any more than 50 cents / dollar? 

If Philly wants anything in return, they'll take Rozier and the pick.  What other deals are out there?

That, and Rozier is a perfect fit for a young Philly team.

Noel will be a RFA so he can't just walk.  The Sixers or whichever team owns his contract will be able to match any offers.  If the Sixers are getting lowball offers, there is no reason for them not to wait until the deadline to see if some team gets desperate and bumps up their offer. 

How is Rozier a perfect fit for the Sixers?  How does he compliment Simmons and Embiid?  The 2017 draft is PG heavy so they'd just draft somebody younger and better than Rozier.

he appears to be a quite capable shooter when hes open. He defends point gaurds, has the length to switch onto 2s could presumably run pick and roll, and is just a solid young gaurd.

He fits them quite well. He also seems to be the type to fit next to just about any gaurd (assuming he reaches his potential).

He's also a PG that can work off the ball, which is good for Simmons.

the other thing about Roz is that he's currently underutilized on a team deep with guards. 

another team should look at him the way we looked at Crowder in Dallas, or IT in Phoenix. 

a player like Rozier is exactly the kind of player that, in a larger role, could find himself flourishing. 

he'd be an ideal long term fit next to Simmons/Embiid because of his age, and the likelihood that he'll mesh well as starter while only demanding a modest contract extension (while his blue chip teammates get maxed out). 

[walker834]

They have their reasons for caving too although someone may just outbid them and offer noel big money where they get nothing.  We have our own issues where we need to start unloading some of these assets ourselves though.

I'm a volume shooter in more ways than one.  My posts encompass  a lot of things.

[tazzmaniac]

Everyone in the universe knows he's walking when the contract is up. 

Nah.  That premise is based on the illogical idea that Philly would let him get to free agency and let him walk.  It's always been nonsense. 

He's a restricted free agent.  Whichever team he's on owns his rights and can match any offer he'd receive.  If Philly is content to build a team without Noel, they'll just trade him prior to the deadline... or, they'll let this drag out even longer by matching any offer he gets in free agency and trading him later next season to one of the many teams that continue to show interest in him.

This is just nonsense. They'll end up trading him almost assuredly, but unless Embiid or Okafor both go down, they're simply not going to resign him. He's going to get near-max offers. It's as simple as that, and they're simply not going to pay him that when he'll essentially be their third string center with how they use him. It'll be an Evan Turner situation like we had this summer.

I do think Noel will be before the deadline.  However if he isn't I'm less sure that he'll get near-Max contract.  This summer every team had cap space and a lot of teams spent theirs.  There are going to be a lot less teams able to offer big contracts next summer.  Which teams that will have near-max cap space are going to offer it to Noel? 

The difference with Turner was that he wasn't a RFA.  Clarkson who was a RFA ended up signing a much more reasonable 4yr/50M.