Would you trade Crowder for Kevin Love?

[walker834]

I question in ways how long Love, Kyrie and Lebron will coexist too.  They are their triple threat and go out there do their jobs but they don't exactly seem to get along that great.  Not that that matters. Ray wasn't exactly best friends with Rondo and Rondo wasn't exactly best friends with people here either.

It's a weird trade where things would shift a bit in our favor possibly where they could retool.  It's a really weird trade that way where we are trying to get past them and  there might justt be too many issues with a trade like that happening.

It's too difficult to disceern whether it is really in our favor or not.  Part of me wants to just say Klove! though and do it.  It's simple in that regard. 

We have a chance to get a legit PF and one of the best in the game and we aren't going to do it because of Crowders defense and versatility?  Jae is good but he's not that good. Jaylen can't do these same things?

What's the difference between getting Klove or getting Hayward this offseason?  Doesnt love fit us better because he's a pf and can rebound doesn't play the same position as Jaylen?

I agree we could use a legit center but where? Who?   I'd rather Klove in ways over Okafor even.  Deandre Jordan?  Cousins?  Noel? They all have big ? marks themselves.

[BASS_THUMPER]

No love for love

Dude seems to me to be playin a lil dirty
He got away with it in Clev

But it Boston he would be ejected

No love for love..

*sippin*

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Thats is a horrible trade for the celtics.  We already have a max contract in Al Horford and you want to bringing Kevin Love as our second max contract?.  A team with these 2 max contracts is never winning anything.

This is the kind of set in stone logic that drives me nuts though. Everyone said drafting Jaylen #3 was crazy too and you can't take a guy that high. 

Why can't a team  win a championship where certain guys are getting paid?  It's about overall talent level.  Sometimes your best players dont get  paid the most.  Jaylen is the future here.  As long as we can extend him and guys like marcus.

I agree ideally you want your 3 max guys to be a, b and c but the way the league is right now regardless of who we trade for it's going to be that way in a lot of ways.   

Kevin Loves contract isn't endless.  He may take a lesser deal on his next contract as well.  We can also trade him and let him walk.  We are trading Crowder for him here.  Crowder is not the end all be all. 

Loves value around the league is ok.  Ainge traded for Raef lafrentz.  According to your logic making that trade for Raef Lafrentz would never will a championship either.  It isn't just set in stone.

Crowder for Love a down grade even ignoring the contracts, on top of that your taking in another max contract this would the the worst trade i ever seen.  As for Jaylen Brown i dont know why you even brought him up, but i actually wanted us the draft him over bender.  And we are talking prospects here which anything is possible, the so called "set in tone logic"  was towards k love who been in the league 10year +. we all know what we are getting from him.

[walker834]

Isaiah
bradley
jaylen
klove
horford

with smart as our 6th man wouldn't be better than what we have though?  If we trade for love we are dealing out contracts that would equal his value. It would probably be crowder and amir or zeller for love if a deal was made to make contracts match so it would work. Flexibility wise we may lose some this summer fi we plan on letting amir or zeller walk.  Amir's contract is expiring. Zellers is not so it would not affect our flexibility at all that way. It also depends on what we are even looking at this summer and if it's better than Klove.

I thought zeller had a team optin the second year but according to hoopshype he doesn't.  It's 2 years 8 mil straight not sure if that is right.

Amir's contract is expiring so yes we would lose that flexibility this offseason. It depends what is out there though.

[walker834]

It would also give us some flexibility in ways by opening up some roster spots if we want where we can bring guys over from overseas depending on what the deal actually looks like.

[walker834]

I brought up jaylen b ecause i was just saying hypothetically those types of mindsets on teh internet i dont get.  I speak in hypotheticals sometimes.  There was nothing meant by it. If I say i'd draft jaylen number 1 for example i'd get laughed at because peope get stuck in these mndsets. It happens to me a lot is all when people dont really get how i mean things.

I even considered jaylen as the number 1 player in the draft this offeason and heard a lot of if you have the #1 pick you hvae to take simmons or ingram.  I dont like those mindsets.  I dont have to do anything. Especially because the masses say so.   I even considered bender #1 and if people want to hold me to that and say i was wrong thats fine.  Thats not even what i was doing.  jaylen and bender were the two players i felt made the most sense for us this offseason and i analyzed them a lot.  Also looked at simmons a lot too.

I actually felt Brown was the best player as the draft was coming up with Dunn being the other best player on the board as far as trade purposes.  Felt Ingram and Simmons were somewhat overrated for us although still think they are good players too. Still like bender too although he has a bit to go. Not as high on him as i was.  But i always felt he was somewhat risky why i analyzed him so much.  I think he just more has a ways to go though. He can be really good.  He's really skinny which may be an issue.  He's also 18 years old.

[pearljammer10]

100%

[Celtics4ever]

Love is playing well this year and I think they would laugh at this offer.

[walker834]

Love is playing well this year and I think they would laugh at this offer.

This is more what I think too. I don't think Cleveland would right now.  I think the celtics might.  That's speculation though.  I have no clue what they think.  I'm more looking for reasons for and against though.

I think cleveland is going with love, kyrie and lebron this year though.  I watch them play though and they are doing their jobs but don't seem to like each other too much lol.  It's working though and they are professionals and who cares if they like each other or not.

I would go out on a limb and say that klove and lebron are not best friends though.  It's more just business between them.

jordan and pippen were not close friends and that worked alright on the court for a long time.  Kobe and shaq etc. In todays nba though players see an out and will take it though.  I dont think klove is that likeable a guy personally.  I like him but neither is lebron.  neither are a lot of great players like that.

lebron and dwade seemed to like each other.  I dont really like dwade that much at all.  lebron is ok sometimes and other times just annoys me. Klove can be a **** but i like him better than lebron any day of the week.

I think there is chemistry between Lebron and Klove that's not that apparent.  I don't think they dislike each other.  It's a good match those 2.  So was dwade with lebron.  They fit each other.  It's just how they are. 

I wonder how Klove would fit here in ways.  I think he would. He's a really great player.  People underrate him even still.

[moiso]

Not the ideal other huge contract due to both guys playing the same position but I would have to do it in a heartbeat.  The talent infusion is too much to pass on.

[greece66]

Not the ideal other huge contract due to both guys playing the same position but I would have to do it in a heartbeat.  The talent infusion is too much to pass on.

[walker834]

Stevens loves to space the floor and having versatile big men.   

I think isaiah, bradley, brown, klove and horford would be interesting...  I'm with you where i usually prefer a more traditional team though.

Do people really think Horford is a pf at this stage of his career though?  I dont know about that. I tink he can play both.

interesting article i just found from his days with the hawks

http://atlallday.com/2015/06/17/would-we-really-want-al-horford-to-move-to-pf/

[walker834]

I think Horford seems like he doesnt run too good either at times as he's gotten older.  As a PF in todays nba i dont know. That's his natural position.  jhalil okafor also strikes me as more a pf but in todays nba i dont know if that even works. Never been one to buy into trends where good coaching can make things work and make trends ourselves vs going with them too though.

Love has his own issues defending but is more versatile than Horford and an actual pf in todays nba.

Duncan and Aldridge worked where even Duncan was a pf with David Robinson and moved to center.  Gasol and Randolph works defensively. 

[Surferdad]

I question in ways how long Love, Kyrie and Lebron will coexist too.  They are their triple threat and go out there do their jobs but they don't exactly seem to get along that great.  Not that that matters. Ray wasn't exactly best friends with Rondo and Rondo wasn't exactly best friends with people here either.

It's a weird trade where things would shift a bit in our favor possibly where they could retool.  It's a really weird trade that way where we are trying to get past them and  there might justt be too many issues with a trade like that happening.

It's too difficult to disceern whether it is really in our favor or not.  Part of me wants to just say Klove! though and do it.  It's simple in that regard. 

We have a chance to get a legit PF and one of the best in the game and we aren't going to do it because of Crowders defense and versatility?  Jae is good but he's not that good. Jaylen can't do these same things?

What's the difference between getting Klove or getting Hayward this offseason?  Doesnt love fit us better because he's a pf and can rebound doesn't play the same position as Jaylen?

I agree we could use a legit center but where? Who?   I'd rather Klove in ways over Okafor even.  Deandre Jordan?  Cousins?  Noel? They all have big ? marks themselves.

It really doesn't matter.  Shaq/Kobe co-existed long enough to win multiple championships together, but they are far from friends as is well-known.

In any case, there are reports that Love is happier than he's ever been.  I think their troika of Love/Irving/James is working well.  They are sharing the rock and being defending champions means there's little reason for CLE to make a deal.

[jambr380]

I understand the logic, but it totally squashes our ability to sign a max FA this off-season. I get it, Love is a max player (making previous max money), but not sure he really qualifies as franchise-altering. Also, there is no way we would be able to pick up a Crowder level talent for $7M/yr.

I can see a trade happening to address our rebounding needs, but doubt that player's contract would run beyond this year. If we totally fail in FA, I suppose this trade could be revisited.