Would you trade Crowder for Kevin Love?

[walker834]

Just curious.  I don't think I would. Mainly because I don't think KLove is the guy for us, but it would make sense for both teams in ways.

If this belongs in trade talk please move it there. I just put it here and forgot there was that section and had a brain fart.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Brown is good but he's not ready to start in the playoffs and K Love isn't a center. 

[walker834]

Before the draft i was thinking of  moving down and trading Crowder and draft Jaylen Brown  and pick  up Love in the process in ways...  Mainly because people were laughing at the notion that jaylen was the 3rd pick at the time.  Just watching jaylen tonight made me recall that post i made.

I was thinking of offering crowder to cleveland in a 3 way deal where we get love move down a few spots get kevin love and draft brown.

I agree its better to bring jaylen along slowly. Crowder is a good mentor for him.

I think Jaylen is more ready than people realize though but an 82 game season starting as a rookie might be a bit rough where he could get hurt and I dont want that.

[walker834]

 It's weird because crowder almost has more value than love because of his contract.  He also fits as  a roleplayer where Love is kind of an odd duck.  HE would more be a rebounder and legit guy we could play at the 4 for now although i would rather a center as well.

This is why not makng shortsighted trades is good because I feel like Crowders value around the league is just as high as kevin love if not moreso.  we basically lost nothing by just staying put and drafting our guy.

[crimson_stallion]

It's an interesting question.

Brown is showing a lot of promise, Green has looked like a pretty capable backup, and Smart/Young could play the occasional spot minutes there if we ran into injury issues.

We also desperately need rebounding.

But ultimately I think I'd have to say no, for a few reasons:
1) Love's contract is about 3x Crowder's
2) Love would immediately hurt us on defense
3) Love is just too injury prone for my liking
4) Crowder brings a real competitiveness and leadership that Love just doesn't have

So I'd have to decline, but I'd give it some thought.

[walker834]

Yeah it still is.  I wouldn't scoff at it.  As far as another offensive weapon and rebounder.  The consensus seems to be we need a legit center to go with horford.  But having Love as a more offensive team is different.  It would give us more offensive firepower and rebounding.

And a legit guy to play the 4 and start jaylen at the 3 vs  having crowder slide there.

I dont  t hink Kevin Love is the end all be all. I also dont think Crowder is the end all be all.

Making a swap and trying it wouldn't be a bad thing.

I wouldnt do it today because having jaylen play 82 games starting a rookie might be a bit much but at the midway point maybe.

Love would still give us value as far as trades going forward too much like Crowder.  I think their value is kind of similar for different reasons.

[walker834]

Ainge is probably better at guaging how ready jaylen is. He could be perfectly fine and ready to start right now for all i know. Ainge is there and sees him every day.  He seems ready in ways.

[KingofDaPlayazBall]

Thats is a horrible trade for the celtics.  We already have a max contract in Al Horford and you want to bringing Kevin Love as our second max contract?.  A team with these 2 max contracts is never winning anything.

[Chris22]

God, no.
KLOVE is a radio station.

[walker834]

Thats is a horrible trade for the celtics.  We already have a max contract in Al Horford and you want to bringing Kevin Love as our second max contract?.  A team with these 2 max contracts is never winning anything.

This is the kind of set in stone logic that drives me nuts though. Everyone said drafting Jaylen #3 was crazy too and you can't take a guy that high. 

Why can't a team  win a championship where certain guys are getting paid?  It's about overall talent level.  Sometimes your best players dont get  paid the most.  Jaylen is the future here.  As long as we can extend him and guys like marcus.

I agree ideally you want your 3 max guys to be a, b and c but the way the league is right now regardless of who we trade for it's going to be that way in a lot of ways.   

Kevin Loves contract isn't endless.  He may take a lesser deal on his next contract as well.  We can also trade him and let him walk.  We are trading Crowder for him here.  Crowder is not the end all be all. 

Loves value around the league is ok.  Ainge traded for Raef lafrentz.  According to your logic making that trade for Raef Lafrentz would never will a championship either.  It isn't just set in stone.

[walker834]

We traded Antoine Waker for Raef Lafrentz according to your logic that team never would win a championship.  We won a championship in 08. Forest through the trees people. Come on you can do it.

[Clench123]

Absolutely not

[LilRip]

I love Crowder and would hate to see him get traded. Love definitely fills needs though and he fits CBS playstyle of offensive versatility and spacing. I still wouldn't do it though. We have a high pick coming this offseason. We have cap space. No need to rush a move.

For example, if we could sign Blake Griffin in the offseason (as unlikely as it sounds), he'd be a terrific fit as well. And we'd keep our core too.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Just curious.  I don't think I would. Mainly because I don't think KLove is the guy for us, but it would make sense for both teams in ways.

If this belongs in trade talk please move it there. I just put it here and forgot there was that section and had a brain fart.

We have Al Horford now. No point selling a key cog of our elite perimeter defending for a guy who scores and rebounds a little more, but defends a lot worse than our biggest free agent addition of the summer. 

[walker834]

I'm sort of wondering what some of the reasons are why people wouldn't.  I'm trying to think of smoe myself. One being I'm just not sure if Love is the guy but that's not very specific.  Having him at pf the argument can be made versatility and the ability to go small vs having him there.  Some of these are valid reasons and some aren't.  He's a max player.  But he isn't locked in here forever.  I don't even know if Cleveland would do this.  Love seems to be getting better in clevelands system and it seems to be working for them right now.   I think head to head, love vs crowder, love is the better player and asset in ways but all that is how he fits us as well.  I don't think you necessarily make a trade because player a is better than player b on the surface, I've never been that way.  It's more how he fits into what we are trying to do.

The one reason I wouldn't is I am not sure I want Jaylen starting 82 games for us right this second as a rookie. Crowder is also a good physical defender and can slide to the 4.  We have Amir who starts there. We also have KO who does alot of what Klove does without the rebounding.  Zeller is playing with a bit more fire of late. 

Even still if this was offered and on the table I can't think of many overly strong reasons why I wouldn't do this deal though and we have Kevin Love and that does make us a better team in ways.

We don't want to sell ourselves short in free agency and commit money and all that where we could potentially do better.  Who that player is though is anyones guess right now though.  That's usually the strongest reason that keeps me from pulling the trigger on a deal is that.  We can always do better possibly and we don't want to sacrifice flexibility to do that.

In the same regard the grass is not always greener.  We start losing assets I'm not overly afraid of though.  I think that opens up other things.  I don't make a deal just because we have to that way. That's one mindset I never understood is the whole is it time get what we can. We want to be operating from a position of strength in that regard not selling ourselves short. If we start losing assets there are always ways to replenish that but in the same regard Klove is pretty good.

I don't think getting Klove is the end all be all either way that's the thing.  If we could add him without sacrificing flexibility I would consider this deal. That's a big if though.

I'm much more a don't trade for the sake of trading person though.  I'd rather build with what we have and why mess that up.  But financially we are paying and have to match contracts in the deal anyways.  If we send crowder we'd have to send zeller or Amir to match contracts and Klove is signed about the same time frame so as far as flexibility i'd have to look at it. It would change a bit this offseason with Zeller or Amir coming off the books or both. Someone would have to look at that in more detail.  Who can we possibly get this offseason etc.. 

Having Klove where we can draft and open up some roster spots isn't necessarily bad though.  There are ways where that could be worked too.

My question though was if cleveland came to us and offered us this would you do it though?  Curious a bit why people wouldn't or would for that matter.