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You are Sacramento's GM, what is the best deal for Cousins?
« on: November 01, 2016, 02:56:49 AM »

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Hypothetically, ownership want change and say they are willing to part with Boogie, what do you want for him to make your franchise better.

I think this is a good perspective as we tend to wear our green goggles too often and undervalue other teams players.

I believe we would have the best package available in the East but I think Denver or Minnesota have us beat. Denver could offer a package around Faried, Nurkic, Jokic, Murray, Gallinari, Chandler, picks. Minnesota could easily give up an option of Rubio, LaVine, Wiggins, Dunn, picks and stay competitive.

Our best chance IMO is if Sacramento wants to keep Cousins out of the West.

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 03:36:41 AM »

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Ultimately it depends on the package they are looking for but I think Denver are more appealing of you want young guys mixed with experienced guys to remain "competitive". I don't think Minnesota trade for him simply because he doesn't fit their timeline well. He expires in 2018 so you'd have to invest a lot of money before knowing whether that core can compete. I also think LA have some interesting pieces but they'd have to gut the roster to get him and then rely on FA. Only other team I think realistically is the wiz if they decide a Eall-Beal partnership won't work

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 06:13:33 AM »

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The best deal would be to keep him because nothing you get in return would be equal barring a Davis for DeMarcus trade.

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 07:28:05 AM »

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Sure, if teams are willing to sell off their young core, they could trump our offers. But, would Cousins accept being traded to a non-contender?

Minnesota wouldn't trade Wiggins and Dunn for him. Denver probably wouldn't deal Jokic and Murray.

I think DMC's market is limited to near-contenders or "destination" markets (Lakers, Heat).  The Lakers could certainly make an interesting package, but we are well-positioned.


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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 07:39:48 AM »

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The best deal would be to keep him because nothing you get in return would be equal barring a Davis for DeMarcus trade.

This is why Cousins has to be the one who decides he HAS to leave ,  is basketball suscess and a ring a personal goal?  If so he ll need to leave. He has to reach this point in his career.  Like KG he is loyal to a fault . 

Kings won't let him go long as he stil maintains his top level skill and physical abilities.  Only Towns and Davis are possible trades in their minds .

Boogie has to make HIMSElF available.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 08:37:58 AM »

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No he doesn't he has less than 2 years on his deal.  The Kings if they know he won't resign with them need to move him this year when his value is higher.  They probably want 2 young starters and a couple high picks, plus a decent  throw in to make salaries match. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 08:44:38 AM »

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I would trade him to Kleenix! That way he can always have them for all his crying. I see only a few games in to the season that retard is already up to his non sense. Great talent but nothing but a total bone head that doesn't get what being a professional is about.  ::)

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2016, 09:26:07 AM »

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A top 2 pick or so depending on the draft. Would have to be a top prospect with the potential to reach or surpass cousins level, think KAT, Simmons, Wiggins or Embiid. Then add maybe a player like a Crowder and a mid first and we have a deal.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2016, 09:35:25 AM »

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I don't think the OP asked the right question. In this case, it will be more of a buyer's market than it will a seller's market.

1. You almost never get full value when trading a star in their prime
2. You never get full value when trading a star in their prime who wants out
3. You never get full value when trading a star in their prime who has a lot of baggage

I don't see Minny or Sac or LA having a "better" shot at Cousins than we do. You can't name every starter from those teams and then think they have a better chance than if we included IT, Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Olynyk, Brown and/or a gaggle of picks. In terms of assets, we have the better ones - we're easily the best team and therefore have the better players PLUS more draft picks than those teams do. Of course, we're not going to strip our team much like Minny/Sac/LA aren't going to strip their teams down to the bare bones either.

If I'm Minny, Cousins isn't attractive in the least. I already have KAT at Center and can't use Cousins. Plus I'm not letting him within 1,000 feet of our locker room. Too many young, impressionable guys.

If I'm Denver, the only way to make this work is to give up Nurkic and/or Jokic. But if I replace those guys with Cousins, I'm still nowhere near ready to win. He doesn't fit in the timeline. I'd rather stick with a core of Mudiay, Murkic and Jokic and get those guys ready to compete when Golden State starts to age.

The Lakers might want to make a splash but their only assets are Randle and Russell. Acquiring Cousins doesn't help that timeline. Again, stick with the youth movement and the picks.

We also have to look at it from Cousins' standpoint. Because no one is going to want to acquire him for a massive bounty and lose him to FA in less than two years, he's going to have to want to stick where he goes. Denver, LA and Minny still put him on losing teams during the prime of his career.

So I'm not sure any of those 3 teams want to make a serious deal for Cousins. I'm not sure Cousins would want to be on any of those 3.

So in a roundabout way, good options for moving Cousins may be fairly limited. If I'm Sac's GM, I know that my roster sucks. There's nothing to build around right now. WCS? Ben McL? Georgios Papagiannis? *shudder* So I'm going for young players and/or draft picks. But the teams with those assets aren't likely to give me top dollar because Cousins isn't a fit with their long term plans.

I've long maintained that the ideal spot for Cousins is in Boston. Coming into a winning environment, backed by some strong veteran personalities all focused on winning, with his friend (IT) already here, with a strong and stable management team (Danny and Brad) - that's how Cousins is going to be the best player he can be. He also fits well here. He can take over the middle while Little Big Al moves out to PF. The Celtics could offer a likely top 3 pick in 2017, another good pick in 2018 and probably a good young player (Smart, Brown?). That's a strong package that allows Sac to go into full rebuilding mode with prime picks in what appear to be good drafts. If the pieces fit the Cs are contending for the NBA Championship with a good 3-4 year window.
Jaylen Brown will be an All Star in the next 5 years.

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2016, 09:54:13 AM »

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I would trade him to Kleenix! That way he can always have them for all his crying. I see only a few games in to the season that retard is already up to his non sense. Great talent but nothing but a total bone head that doesn't get what being a professional is about.  ::)
Had to give you a TP and even though I agree with you 100% he's so good that I'd trade for him anyway ::)

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2016, 10:02:33 AM »

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Absolutely NO JAYLEN BROWN in any trade package.  Yes, he's untouchable imo.  If Boogie turns out to be a cancer and a failed experiment you still have a young promising player to fall back on and build with in JB.  Tossing him into any trade could haunt the Celtics for a long time.
If anything you send Sacramento a veteran who is looking at an expensive extension in the near future.

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2016, 10:38:05 AM »

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If I'm the Kings GM, I just want as many high value picks and players on rookie deals that I can get, so I can tank this season and next, and hopefully build a core up right.

I hear people talking about "the C's would need to include Crowder or Bradley" but if I'm the Kings GM I wouldn't want them.  If I trade Cousins, it's to start from the ground up, above average starters aren't going to help me tank.  Maybe I make the C's trade them to a 3rd team who sends me back a pick/young player, something like:

BOS trades: Brown, Rozier, Smart, Crowder, rights to Yabu and Zizic, 2017 Boston first, 2018 Brooklyn first, 2019 Clippers first, 2019 Memphis first, 2019 Boston first, 2021 Boston first
BOS receives: Cousins

NOP trades: Hield, salary filler (Jones or Stephenson)
NOP receives: Crowder

Sacramento trades: Cousins
Sacramento receives: Brown, Rozier, Smart, Hield, rights to Yabu and Zizic, 2017 Boston first, 2018 Brooklyn first, 2019 Clippers first, 2019 Memphis first, 2019 Boston first, 2021 Boston first

That's probably where I'd start if I were the Kings, fully expecting the C's to negotiate back and end up somewhere in the middle (like keeping Smart, at least one of Yabu/Zizic, and a few of their future picks).

I think NOP would be happy to be involved and provide some instant support to Anthony Davis.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2016, 10:58:24 AM »

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If I'm the Kings GM, I just want as many high value picks and players on rookie deals that I can get, so I can tank this season and next, and hopefully build a core up right.

I hear people talking about "the C's would need to include Crowder or Bradley" but if I'm the Kings GM I wouldn't want them.  If I trade Cousins, it's to start from the ground up, above average starters aren't going to help me tank.  Maybe I make the C's trade them to a 3rd team who sends me back a pick/young player, something like:

BOS trades: Brown, Rozier, Smart, Crowder, rights to Yabu and Zizic, 2017 Boston first, 2018 Brooklyn first, 2019 Clippers first, 2019 Memphis first, 2019 Boston first, 2021 Boston first
BOS receives: Cousins

NOP trades: Hield, salary filler (Jones or Stephenson)
NOP receives: Crowder

Sacramento trades: Cousins
Sacramento receives: Brown, Rozier, Smart, Hield, rights to Yabu and Zizic, 2017 Boston first, 2018 Brooklyn first, 2019 Clippers first, 2019 Memphis first, 2019 Boston first, 2021 Boston first

That's probably where I'd start if I were the Kings, fully expecting the C's to negotiate back and end up somewhere in the middle (like keeping Smart, at least one of Yabu/Zizic, and a few of their future picks).

I think NOP would be happy to be involved and provide some instant support to Anthony Davis.

This is pretty much spot on. Players on rookie deals who can shoot especially. A shooter always has a chance.

I agree bough that a
Player like AB is of little use to a rebuilding team.

Lucky for us, we have a whole JV team with some promise to fill out a deal. Plus picks, of course. The upshot is that we should be able to deal for a good player without giving up any key rotation players in the process. Who would want to rebuild that doesn't have enough pieces/prospects?  I mean other than BKN?  If there are not enough really good players on the market, then I guess the price goes up. And Horford's window will close quickly.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2016, 11:02:52 AM »

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the two Nets picks plus Crowder...

I would be fine with this, Brown could step in the lineup and grow from there