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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #105 on: November 06, 2016, 08:24:10 AM »

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So do the Celtics even have a chance of getting Cousins?

I don't see any other near contender that has anywhere near the assets that we do.

Sure, certain other teams could potentially outbid us with young promising players, but most of these teams are not any closer to contending or even making the playoffs than Sacramento, meaning Cousins won't agree to go there, which is part of the consideration no matter what some say.

Amir, Brown, Rozier, Young, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the Memphis pick (or even the other Brooklyn pick if absolutely necessary) is about as good as any potential contender with Cousins can offer. This also allows them to start completely fresh with this draft with two probable top-five picks in the Brooklyn pick and their own pick, though Philly has swap rights if it's higher.

That's assuming that Sacramento takes a rational approach to rebuilding, which is a fairly risky assumption.

Well if you're going to over pay for a guy that puts up big numbers on a horrible team, with the worse attitude in the league why not give them every other pick we have for the next 20 years?

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #106 on: November 06, 2016, 09:02:40 AM »

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So do the Celtics even have a chance of getting Cousins?

I don't see any other near contender that has anywhere near the assets that we do.

Sure, certain other teams could potentially outbid us with young promising players, but most of these teams are not any closer to contending or even making the playoffs than Sacramento, meaning Cousins won't agree to go there, which is part of the consideration no matter what some say.

Amir, Brown, Rozier, Young, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the Memphis pick (or even the other Brooklyn pick if absolutely necessary) is about as good as any potential contender with Cousins can offer. This also allows them to start completely fresh with this draft with two probable top-five picks in the Brooklyn pick and their own pick, though Philly has swap rights if it's higher.

That's assuming that Sacramento takes a rational approach to rebuilding, which is a fairly risky assumption.

Well if you're going to over pay for a guy that puts up big numbers on a horrible team, with the worse attitude in the league why not give them every other pick we have for the next 20 years?
Not really an overpay until the suggestion to include the 2nd Nets pick.  Amir and Young don't matter.  Rozier and the Memphis pick don't matter much.  Basically its Brown and the 2017 Nets pick for Cousins which isn't a bad deal especially since the Nets aren't playing like a bottom 3 team.   Brown is growing on me a bit so might rather see the 2nd Nets pick included.  We're not losing any of our core pieces in the trade.   

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #107 on: November 06, 2016, 12:06:33 PM »

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So do the Celtics even have a chance of getting Cousins?

I don't see any other near contender that has anywhere near the assets that we do.

Sure, certain other teams could potentially outbid us with young promising players, but most of these teams are not any closer to contending or even making the playoffs than Sacramento, meaning Cousins won't agree to go there, which is part of the consideration no matter what some say.

Amir, Brown, Rozier, Young, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the Memphis pick (or even the other Brooklyn pick if absolutely necessary) is about as good as any potential contender with Cousins can offer. This also allows them to start completely fresh with this draft with two probable top-five picks in the Brooklyn pick and their own pick, though Philly has swap rights if it's higher.

That's assuming that Sacramento takes a rational approach to rebuilding, which is a fairly risky assumption.

I'm kind of iffy about giving up BOTH of Jaylen Brown and the 2017 Nets Pick.

If that really is the price + more obviously, then forget it.

It would help if DMC demanded out later this season. The Kings might have a bigger need to trade him because lets be honest, unless they are confident DMC will sign an extension with them, they will lose him for nothing, because no one will give up much for an expiring contract next off-season.

I would do Smart/Rozier (their choice), Amir Johnson, RIGHTS to Yabusele, 2017 Nets Pick, 2018 Boston First Rounder, and either one of the 2019 Grizzlies OR Clippers pick. Expiring contract in Amir, promising guard in Rozier/Smart, and more importantly, the 2017 Nets Pick as well as two future picks. If the Kings want the 2018 Nets pick as well instead of the Boston First rounder, I want McLemore back in the deal as well.
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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #108 on: November 06, 2016, 12:31:25 PM »

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Boogie is the missing link.  I think he scares Danny though.  Brad not so much.

I just don't know what we'd give up to get him.

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2016, 02:08:21 PM »

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2674373-demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-kings-star

Sounds like they're opening up to the possibility of trading Cousins, but they're still asking for way too much. Perhaps this near 10 game losing streak that they're getting ready to embark on will change their mind.
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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2016, 02:24:10 PM »

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So do the Celtics even have a chance of getting Cousins?

I don't see any other near contender that has anywhere near the assets that we do.

Sure, certain other teams could potentially outbid us with young promising players, but most of these teams are not any closer to contending or even making the playoffs than Sacramento, meaning Cousins won't agree to go there, which is part of the consideration no matter what some say.

Amir, Brown, Rozier, Young, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the Memphis pick (or even the other Brooklyn pick if absolutely necessary) is about as good as any potential contender with Cousins can offer. This also allows them to start completely fresh with this draft with two probable top-five picks in the Brooklyn pick and their own pick, though Philly has swap rights if it's higher.

That's assuming that Sacramento takes a rational approach to rebuilding, which is a fairly risky assumption.

Well if you're going to over pay for a guy that puts up big numbers on a horrible team, with the worse attitude in the league why not give them every other pick we have for the next 20 years?
Not really an overpay until the suggestion to include the 2nd Nets pick.  Amir and Young don't matter.  Rozier and the Memphis pick don't matter much.  Basically its Brown and the 2017 Nets pick for Cousins which isn't a bad deal especially since the Nets aren't playing like a bottom 3 team.   Brown is growing on me a bit so might rather see the 2nd Nets pick included.  We're not losing any of our core pieces in the trade.

Brown + both Nets picks = 3 lottery picks, one of which Being Brown whom I think many believe is a legit NBA player. So I would say that is an overpay. If he had a great attitude and could prove he could win than it's a different conversation.

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #111 on: November 06, 2016, 02:53:30 PM »

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So do the Celtics even have a chance of getting Cousins?

I don't see any other near contender that has anywhere near the assets that we do.

Sure, certain other teams could potentially outbid us with young promising players, but most of these teams are not any closer to contending or even making the playoffs than Sacramento, meaning Cousins won't agree to go there, which is part of the consideration no matter what some say.

Amir, Brown, Rozier, Young, the 2017 Brooklyn pick, and the Memphis pick (or even the other Brooklyn pick if absolutely necessary) is about as good as any potential contender with Cousins can offer. This also allows them to start completely fresh with this draft with two probable top-five picks in the Brooklyn pick and their own pick, though Philly has swap rights if it's higher.

That's assuming that Sacramento takes a rational approach to rebuilding, which is a fairly risky assumption.

Well if you're going to over pay for a guy that puts up big numbers on a horrible team, with the worse attitude in the league why not give them every other pick we have for the next 20 years?
Not really an overpay until the suggestion to include the 2nd Nets pick.  Amir and Young don't matter.  Rozier and the Memphis pick don't matter much.  Basically its Brown and the 2017 Nets pick for Cousins which isn't a bad deal especially since the Nets aren't playing like a bottom 3 team.   Brown is growing on me a bit so might rather see the 2nd Nets pick included.  We're not losing any of our core pieces in the trade.

Brown + both Nets picks = 3 lottery picks, one of which Being Brown whom I think many believe is a legit NBA player. So I would say that is an overpay. If he had a great attitude and could prove he could win than it's a different conversation.
I specifically said that Brown plus both Nets picks would be an overpay.  Brown and the 2017 Nets pick or both Nets picks without Brown wouldn't be an overpay. 

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #112 on: November 06, 2016, 07:18:48 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-asking-202533557.html

Another NBA season has begun and so have the trade rumors circling the dismal Sacramento Kings and All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins.

"Boogie" is arguably the NBA's best center, but the Kings haven't won more than 33 games since his arrival in 2010. His attitude problems are well documented, but so is his dominance in the paint. With just one more season until Cousins is likely to walk, the Kings are running out of time for find a trade partner, which is easier said than done.

“They’ll never get what they want in return,” an East Conference general manager told Amico Hoops. “They think Cousins is worth more than he actually is. He hurts you every bit as much as he helps you. He’s like a cheeseburger, or booze. Too much and you’ll pay a price.”

Other team executives agree, telling Amico Hoops the Kings are only holding on to Cousins because they have no other choice.

"I’d be terrified with that guy on my team," one general manager said. "They’ve asked me about him, what I’d give up. The answer is not much, no one that I value.”

Cousins is averaging 26.0 points and 8.4 rebounds through seven games this season, though he's already been in trouble for throwing his mouthpiece into the stands. He was fined $25,000 and assessed a technical foul.

“I’d take (Cousins), but you’d need a dominant personality to control him," one Western Conference executive said. "I’ve been in that locker room. He’s a problem. They’d love to trade him, but can’t. So they act like they won’t. They would, though — tomorrow.”

They should cut their loses and move on before it's too late.  Celtics is the best trading partner they have.

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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #113 on: November 06, 2016, 07:24:52 PM »

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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #114 on: November 06, 2016, 07:28:03 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-asking-202533557.html

Another NBA season has begun and so have the trade rumors circling the dismal Sacramento Kings and All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins.

"Boogie" is arguably the NBA's best center, but the Kings haven't won more than 33 games since his arrival in 2010. His attitude problems are well documented, but so is his dominance in the paint. With just one more season until Cousins is likely to walk, the Kings are running out of time for find a trade partner, which is easier said than done.

“They’ll never get what they want in return,” an East Conference general manager told Amico Hoops. “They think Cousins is worth more than he actually is. He hurts you every bit as much as he helps you. He’s like a cheeseburger, or booze. Too much and you’ll pay a price.”

Other team executives agree, telling Amico Hoops the Kings are only holding on to Cousins because they have no other choice.

"I’d be terrified with that guy on my team," one general manager said. "They’ve asked me about him, what I’d give up. The answer is not much, no one that I value.”

Cousins is averaging 26.0 points and 8.4 rebounds through seven games this season, though he's already been in trouble for throwing his mouthpiece into the stands. He was fined $25,000 and assessed a technical foul.

“I’d take (Cousins), but you’d need a dominant personality to control him," one Western Conference executive said. "I’ve been in that locker room. He’s a problem. They’d love to trade him, but can’t. So they act like they won’t. They would, though — tomorrow.”

They should cut their loses and move on before it's too late.  Celtics is the best trading partner they have.

would you still want him after reading that piece on him?

Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #115 on: November 06, 2016, 07:47:43 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-asking-202533557.html

Another NBA season has begun and so have the trade rumors circling the dismal Sacramento Kings and All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins.

"Boogie" is arguably the NBA's best center, but the Kings haven't won more than 33 games since his arrival in 2010. His attitude problems are well documented, but so is his dominance in the paint. With just one more season until Cousins is likely to walk, the Kings are running out of time for find a trade partner, which is easier said than done.

“They’ll never get what they want in return,” an East Conference general manager told Amico Hoops. “They think Cousins is worth more than he actually is. He hurts you every bit as much as he helps you. He’s like a cheeseburger, or booze. Too much and you’ll pay a price.”

Other team executives agree, telling Amico Hoops the Kings are only holding on to Cousins because they have no other choice.

"I’d be terrified with that guy on my team," one general manager said. "They’ve asked me about him, what I’d give up. The answer is not much, no one that I value.”

Cousins is averaging 26.0 points and 8.4 rebounds through seven games this season, though he's already been in trouble for throwing his mouthpiece into the stands. He was fined $25,000 and assessed a technical foul.

“I’d take (Cousins), but you’d need a dominant personality to control him," one Western Conference executive said. "I’ve been in that locker room. He’s a problem. They’d love to trade him, but can’t. So they act like they won’t. They would, though — tomorrow.”

They should cut their loses and move on before it's too late.  Celtics is the best trading partner they have.

would you still want him after reading that piece on him?

Without a doubt.  One should ask how much his environment contribute to the things ppl complain about him.  I believe he'd flourish in Boston with the culture we have.

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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #116 on: November 06, 2016, 07:48:25 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-kings-asking-202533557.html

Another NBA season has begun and so have the trade rumors circling the dismal Sacramento Kings and All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins.

"Boogie" is arguably the NBA's best center, but the Kings haven't won more than 33 games since his arrival in 2010. His attitude problems are well documented, but so is his dominance in the paint. With just one more season until Cousins is likely to walk, the Kings are running out of time for find a trade partner, which is easier said than done.

“They’ll never get what they want in return,” an East Conference general manager told Amico Hoops. “They think Cousins is worth more than he actually is. He hurts you every bit as much as he helps you. He’s like a cheeseburger, or booze. Too much and you’ll pay a price.”

Other team executives agree, telling Amico Hoops the Kings are only holding on to Cousins because they have no other choice.

"I’d be terrified with that guy on my team," one general manager said. "They’ve asked me about him, what I’d give up. The answer is not much, no one that I value.”

Cousins is averaging 26.0 points and 8.4 rebounds through seven games this season, though he's already been in trouble for throwing his mouthpiece into the stands. He was fined $25,000 and assessed a technical foul.

“I’d take (Cousins), but you’d need a dominant personality to control him," one Western Conference executive said. "I’ve been in that locker room. He’s a problem. They’d love to trade him, but can’t. So they act like they won’t. They would, though — tomorrow.”

They should cut their loses and move on before it's too late.  Celtics is the best trading partner they have.

I wonder how much of that is just posturing to get them to trade him for cheaper, though. They might not get what they  want for him, but he's certainly tradable for a good haul.
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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #117 on: November 06, 2016, 08:04:18 PM »

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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #118 on: November 06, 2016, 08:33:21 PM »

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Ugh, looks like the Kings will win...
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Re: The Boogie Watch
« Reply #119 on: November 06, 2016, 08:37:28 PM »

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It still doesn't change much, Gay will be gone and Cousins may need to be traded.