The Boogie Watch

[mctyson]

Guys, the bigger issue here is not whether Boogie is good enough to trade for (he clearly is) or whether he is a problem as a teammate (he clearly is).

The issue is his contract.

The Celtics ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR A SOON-TO-BE FREE AGENT.  There is no reason to send all of our draft picks and a few core young players to Sacramento for a guy who is up after 2018.  We can sign him then.

The only way you get him is if he agrees, a la KG, to an extension.  And I am sorry but DMC would be C-R-A-Z-Y (which he clearly is) to do that given the new terms of the bargaining agreement, where he could make $42M per year by 2020 with a new team.

Now the interesting question is: if he agreed to only a one-year extension, meaning you have him for 2.5 years, would you do it?  I say no, because those Nets picks could bring in a similar talent that we would lock up for a decade.

[Ilikesports17]

Guys, the bigger issue here is not whether Boogie is good enough to trade for (he clearly is) or whether he is a problem as a teammate (he clearly is).

The issue is his contract.

The Celtics ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR A SOON-TO-BE FREE AGENT.  There is no reason to send all of our draft picks and a few core young players to Sacramento for a guy who is up after 2018.  We can sign him then.

The only way you get him is if he agrees, a la KG, to an extension.  And I am sorry but DMC would be C-R-A-Z-Y (which he clearly is) to do that given the new terms of the bargaining agreement, where he could make $42M per year by 2020 with a new team.

Now the interesting question is: if he agreed to only a one-year extension, meaning you have him for 2.5 years, would you do it?  I say no, because those Nets picks could bring in a similar talent that we would lock up for a decade.

Then we arent gonna trade for anyone because teams dont trade top 10 talents who are long term under contract.

1.5 seasons is the sweetspot. It gives you more than enough time to gel and see the potential of the team then hopefully he resigns.

[saltlover]

Guys, the bigger issue here is not whether Boogie is good enough to trade for (he clearly is) or whether he is a problem as a teammate (he clearly is).

The issue is his contract.

The Celtics ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR A SOON-TO-BE FREE AGENT.  There is no reason to send all of our draft picks and a few core young players to Sacramento for a guy who is up after 2018.  We can sign him then.

The only way you get him is if he agrees, a la KG, to an extension.  And I am sorry but DMC would be C-R-A-Z-Y (which he clearly is) to do that given the new terms of the bargaining agreement, where he could make $42M per year by 2020 with a new team.

Now the interesting question is: if he agreed to only a one-year extension, meaning you have him for 2.5 years, would you do it?  I say no, because those Nets picks could bring in a similar talent that we would lock up for a decade.

The only way we can sign Boogie as a free agent in 2018 is if we let a few of our core players, young guys, and draft picks go.  We simply won't have the cap room otherwise.  If it were for a half season rental, I'm with you.  But it's for 1.5 seasons, after which you still have Bird rights, which will allow a longer and more lucrative contract than your competitors in free agency.  You can't have your cake and eat it too in this scenario.

[Big333223]

Guys, the bigger issue here is not whether Boogie is good enough to trade for (he clearly is) or whether he is a problem as a teammate (he clearly is).

The issue is his contract.

The Celtics ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR A SOON-TO-BE FREE AGENT.  There is no reason to send all of our draft picks and a few core young players to Sacramento for a guy who is up after 2018.  We can sign him then.

The only way you get him is if he agrees, a la KG, to an extension.  And I am sorry but DMC would be C-R-A-Z-Y (which he clearly is) to do that given the new terms of the bargaining agreement, where he could make $42M per year by 2020 with a new team.

Now the interesting question is: if he agreed to only a one-year extension, meaning you have him for 2.5 years, would you do it?  I say no, because those Nets picks could bring in a similar talent that we would lock up for a decade.

The only way we can sign Boogie as a free agent in 2018 is if we let a few of our core players, young guys, and draft picks go.  We simply won't have the cap room otherwise.  If it were for a half season rental, I'm with you.  But it's for 1.5 seasons, after which you still have Bird rights, which will allow a longer and more lucrative contract than your competitors in free agency.  You can't have your cake and eat it too in this scenario.

It's also my understanding that the new CBA is going to bolster teams' abilities to get guys on extensions, including adding additional years. Maybe that won't make up for another cap hike (someone else can do that math) but I don't think anyone in the Celtic's office has any reservations about Boogie's contract. I certainly don't.

What saltlover says about possibly affording Cousins in free agency is right, but also, if it was the Celtic's plan to wait for free agency, they're letting Horford and Thomas get 2 years older. That strategy wouldn't make much sense to me.

[saltlover]

Guys, the bigger issue here is not whether Boogie is good enough to trade for (he clearly is) or whether he is a problem as a teammate (he clearly is).

The issue is his contract.

The Celtics ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR A SOON-TO-BE FREE AGENT.  There is no reason to send all of our draft picks and a few core young players to Sacramento for a guy who is up after 2018.  We can sign him then.

The only way you get him is if he agrees, a la KG, to an extension.  And I am sorry but DMC would be C-R-A-Z-Y (which he clearly is) to do that given the new terms of the bargaining agreement, where he could make $42M per year by 2020 with a new team.

Now the interesting question is: if he agreed to only a one-year extension, meaning you have him for 2.5 years, would you do it?  I say no, because those Nets picks could bring in a similar talent that we would lock up for a decade.

The only way we can sign Boogie as a free agent in 2018 is if we let a few of our core players, young guys, and draft picks go.  We simply won't have the cap room otherwise.  If it were for a half season rental, I'm with you.  But it's for 1.5 seasons, after which you still have Bird rights, which will allow a longer and more lucrative contract than your competitors in free agency.  You can't have your cake and eat it too in this scenario.

It's also my understanding that the new CBA is going to bolster teams' abilities to get guys on extensions, including adding additional years. Maybe that won't make up for another cap hike (someone else can do that math) but I don't think anyone in the Celtic's office has any reservations about Boogie's contract. I certainly don't.

What saltlover says about possibly affording Cousins in free agency is right, but also, if it was the Celtic's plan to wait for free agency, they're letting Horford and Thomas get 2 years older. That strategy wouldn't make much sense to me.

The extension thing wouldn't apply to the Celtics if they acquired Cousins.  It's only for players who sign their third contract with the team with which they finished their rookie contract (and some performance qualifications as well.)  So Cousins could sign a huge extension with the Kings, but if he's traded, his new team would only have the advantages of Bird rights, which hasn't changed from the current CBA.

[nickagneta]

The new CBA also empowers teams with Birds rights of players to give a more lucrative deal than Boogie could get via any other team. 1 1/2 years is excellent time to see if a contender can be built here with DMC or whether his addition was a mistake. If he excels, give him a 5 year supermax deal in 2018. No one would come close to that deal and if he excels, he isnt going to want to play anywhere else. If he was a mistake, move on

[jpotter33]

The new CBA also empowers teams with Birds rights of players to give a more lucrative deal than Boogie could get via any other team. 1 1/2 years is excellent time to see if a contender can be built here with DMC or whether his addition was a mistake. If he excels, give him a 5 year supermax deal in 2018. No one would come close to that deal and if he excels, he isnt going to want to play anywhere else. If he was a mistake, move on

At first I thought you were talking about seeing if they could build a contender in Sacramento, and I was about to call you crazy lol

[Eja117]

This Boogie thing is the equivalent of the loser that keeps praying every day that the prom queen will notice him.

Forget all about the prom queen and don't give her the time of day. Date the chick that wears glasses, reads, and can cook. Make the prom queen jealous. Still don't give her the time of day.

[Phantom255x]

I just realized... The Kings are only 1 game back of the playoffs

(Although there's a 4 game gap between the 7th and 8th seeds lol)

[tazzmaniac]

I just realized... The Kings are only 1 game back of the playoffs

(Although there's a 4 game gap between the 7th and 8th seeds lol)

Even the Mavs @ 7-21 are only 5 games out of the 8th seed. 

[Roy H.]

This Boogie thing is the equivalent of the loser that keeps praying every day that the prom queen will notice him.

Forget all about the prom queen and don't give her the time of day. Date the chick that wears glasses, reads, and can cook. Make the prom queen jealous. Still don't give her the time of day.

Prom Queens win championships.

[Eja117]

Ok. Good point. But then what is a guy that doesn't get his team past 33 wins?

[knuckleballer]

The Kings are only 1 game back of the playoffs, but they're 11-17.  Their roster is a mess.  The only potential young talent they have are all centers: WCS, Lab, and Pap and I'm not sure if anyone is high on any of them.  McClemore still stinks and Richardson hasn't earned any playing time.  Gay is thirty and their guards are around thirty. Afflalo is upset and starting to cause problems.  This team is going nowhere.

The team just fined Cousins and he responded with a great game, but with two techs and a meltdown in the post game interview which was so bad they had to cut the mic.  The team's fans are turning on him fast.  Just read the comments on Sactown Royalty.  Sacramento has got to come terms that they to trade him for youth.  The Celtics have youth and draft picks.  The time is now. 

[knuckleballer]

Ok. Good point. But then what is a guy that doesn't get his team past 33 wins?

A guy that is losing his mind because the team's front office has created a mess around him.

[saltlover]

I just realized... The Kings are only 1 game back of the playoffs

(Although there's a 4 game gap between the 7th and 8th seeds lol)

Even the Mavs @ 7-21 are only 5 games out of the 8th seed.

Entering yesterday, the Celtics would have been the 8th seed in the West.  And the Wizards, 11th in the East, would have been tied for the 8th seed in the West.  In other words, 9 teams in the East had records that fit between 7th and 8th in the West.  Early on, it seems like there are 7 playoff locks out there, and a few teams fighting for the honor to get swept by Golden State.