Joel Embiid now "the process"

[LarBrd33]

Embiid looks good. Still can't say with certainty that he will remain healthy. That's always been the question, because there is no doubt he is a future HOF.

2nd, why are we ignoring the fact that Lbrrd who loves the sixers, have clearly diminished the values of their other centers? According to Lbbrd, wasn't Noel supposed to be a future DOP of the year? He's in his 4th year now and have to say he hasn't been great. So I always take his optimisim with a grain of salt when it comes to Philly.

That's adorable that you think I'm powerful enough to diminish the trade value of a basketball player.   

And yes, Noel has the defensive potential to some day DPOY.   He looks like he'll be the odd man out in Philly, though with Embiid and Okafor looking like future stars.   It'll be interesting to see what they get for Noel in trade... assuming I haven't diminished his trade value too much.

Also, I don't love the Sixers.  I just think it's an interesting team and most people here don't understand what they've accomplished.

[LarBrd33]

Sixer point differential 2015-6   -10.2 NBA worst
Sixer point differential 2016-7   -14.0 NBA worst

Smell the potential!

Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind.

Anyone would didn't see Gerald Greens potential was blind...

I feel like 3 years from now you will be saying "just a few more years now...."

SOrry man, but seriously ... if you think Embiid's potential is comparable with Gerald's in 2007, you're out of touch.  Watch him play before commenting on it.  Embiid looks like he should develop into a dominant player on both ends.  Gerald Green could jump and had a nice shooting stroke.

Obvious trolling is obvious. Do you know what "moving the goalposts" is?

You stated the team has tons of potential.

I stated Gerald green had potential too, as an example of how potential doesn't always pan out.

You then claim I tried to compare Green to Embiid, when your post, the one I responded too, was clearly about the team as a whole, and not any specific player.

Your attempt at bringing down the quality of conversation of this board is working magnifscently.

He didn't really move the goal posts because your point about Green presumes that Green had the same kind of potential that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Okafor, and Noel have and that just isn't true and it never was.  Those guys were all lottery picks and high lottery picks (except Saric who wasn't coming over for awhile) for a reason, especially when two of them were injured and were still high lottery picks.  Gerald Green was the 18th pick in a fairly weak draft for a reason.  Sure he had potential, but he never had anywhere near the same type of potential.  No one legitimately thought Green could be a franchise player, while the Sixers have at least two of those guys in Embiid and Simmons.  That is just a whole different type of potential.

I am afraid I have no idea how you got that from my post.

I was simply making the point that "potential" isn't always reached, so to act like it is a forgone conclusion that potential plays out, is quite foolish..

It's a more apt comment to make about a raw questionable prospect like Jaylen Brown who may never reach his potential.  Gerald Green, Jaylen Brown, Perry Jones were raw prospects who had theoretical potential to have potential.  Doesn't mean they'd actually reach that potential potential.   Save those comments for a Jaylen Brown thread.  It's less fitting when discussing a guy like Embiid who already looks like a supremely gifted world-beater despite clearly having a lot left to learn.

[Moranis]

Sixer point differential 2015-6   -10.2 NBA worst
Sixer point differential 2016-7   -14.0 NBA worst

Smell the potential!

Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind.

Anyone would didn't see Gerald Greens potential was blind...

I feel like 3 years from now you will be saying "just a few more years now...."

SOrry man, but seriously ... if you think Embiid's potential is comparable with Gerald's in 2007, you're out of touch.  Watch him play before commenting on it.  Embiid looks like he should develop into a dominant player on both ends.  Gerald Green could jump and had a nice shooting stroke.

Obvious trolling is obvious. Do you know what "moving the goalposts" is?

You stated the team has tons of potential.

I stated Gerald green had potential too, as an example of how potential doesn't always pan out.

You then claim I tried to compare Green to Embiid, when your post, the one I responded too, was clearly about the team as a whole, and not any specific player.

Your attempt at bringing down the quality of conversation of this board is working magnifscently.

He didn't really move the goal posts because your point about Green presumes that Green had the same kind of potential that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Okafor, and Noel have and that just isn't true and it never was.  Those guys were all lottery picks and high lottery picks (except Saric who wasn't coming over for awhile) for a reason, especially when two of them were injured and were still high lottery picks.  Gerald Green was the 18th pick in a fairly weak draft for a reason.  Sure he had potential, but he never had anywhere near the same type of potential.  No one legitimately thought Green could be a franchise player, while the Sixers have at least two of those guys in Embiid and Simmons.  That is just a whole different type of potential.

I am afraid I have no idea how you got that from my post.

I was simply making the point that "potential" isn't always reached, so to act like it is a forgone conclusion that potential plays out, is quite foolish..

But you used a clearly nonsensical comparison.  Had you used Greg Oden or Kwame Brown or someone like that your statement wouldn't have been quite so ridiculous.  You chose a ridiculous person though, and then doubled down on that ridiculous comparison by accusing LarBird of moving the goal posts.  It was just nonsense.

And to be clear, no one, even LarBird, is saying that Philly's young guys will hit their full potential or that Philly is going to win a bunch of titles.  what LarBird and others like myself are saying is that Philly is in pretty darn good shape and used the tanking to acquire several players that look like they could be very good if not franchise level players. 

[wayupnorth]

Sixer point differential 2015-6   -10.2 NBA worst
Sixer point differential 2016-7   -14.0 NBA worst

Smell the potential!

Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind.

Anyone would didn't see Gerald Greens potential was blind...

I feel like 3 years from now you will be saying "just a few more years now...."

SOrry man, but seriously ... if you think Embiid's potential is comparable with Gerald's in 2007, you're out of touch.  Watch him play before commenting on it.  Embiid looks like he should develop into a dominant player on both ends.  Gerald Green could jump and had a nice shooting stroke.

Obvious trolling is obvious. Do you know what "moving the goalposts" is?

You stated the team has tons of potential.

I stated Gerald green had potential too, as an example of how potential doesn't always pan out.

You then claim I tried to compare Green to Embiid, when your post, the one I responded too, was clearly about the team as a whole, and not any specific player.

Your attempt at bringing down the quality of conversation of this board is working magnifscently.

He didn't really move the goal posts because your point about Green presumes that Green had the same kind of potential that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Okafor, and Noel have and that just isn't true and it never was.  Those guys were all lottery picks and high lottery picks (except Saric who wasn't coming over for awhile) for a reason, especially when two of them were injured and were still high lottery picks.  Gerald Green was the 18th pick in a fairly weak draft for a reason.  Sure he had potential, but he never had anywhere near the same type of potential.  No one legitimately thought Green could be a franchise player, while the Sixers have at least two of those guys in Embiid and Simmons.  That is just a whole different type of potential.

I am afraid I have no idea how you got that from my post.

I was simply making the point that "potential" isn't always reached, so to act like it is a forgone conclusion that potential plays out, is quite foolish..

But you used a clearly nonsensical comparison.  Had you used Greg Oden or Kwame Brown or someone like that your statement wouldn't have been quite so ridiculous.  You chose a ridiculous person though, and then doubled down on that ridiculous comparison by accusing LarBird of moving the goal posts.  It was just nonsense.

And to be clear, no one, even LarBird, is saying that Philly's young guys will hit their full potential or that Philly is going to win a bunch of titles.  what LarBird and others like myself are saying is that Philly is in pretty darn good shape and used the tanking to acquire several players that look like they could be very good if not franchise level players.

What are you talking about?

The player I used in the example is utterly irrelevant.

The point is very simple.

Just because a team or a player has all the potential in the world, doesn't mean they will reach that potential.

Some posters act like it is a forgone conclusion this potential will be realized.

Seriously, you are reading way to into this.

You are trying to complicate a very simple point.

[wayupnorth]

Sixer point differential 2015-6   -10.2 NBA worst
Sixer point differential 2016-7   -14.0 NBA worst

Smell the potential!

Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind.

Anyone would didn't see Gerald Greens potential was blind...

I feel like 3 years from now you will be saying "just a few more years now...."

SOrry man, but seriously ... if you think Embiid's potential is comparable with Gerald's in 2007, you're out of touch.  Watch him play before commenting on it.  Embiid looks like he should develop into a dominant player on both ends.  Gerald Green could jump and had a nice shooting stroke.

Obvious trolling is obvious.

Dude you can't just label every factual comment that upsets you "trolling".   Comparing Embiid to a raw #18 pick like Gerald Green is completely asinine.  When you say things like that, it's YOU that is very clearly trolling.

Dude are you kidding me?

Show me where I compared Green to Embiid.

Please provide a quote that shows me making this comparison.

[wayupnorth]

Sixer point differential 2015-6   -10.2 NBA worst
Sixer point differential 2016-7   -14.0 NBA worst

Smell the potential!

Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind.

Anyone would didn't see Gerald Greens potential was blind...

I feel like 3 years from now you will be saying "just a few more years now...."

SOrry man, but seriously ... if you think Embiid's potential is comparable with Gerald's in 2007, you're out of touch.  Watch him play before commenting on it.  Embiid looks like he should develop into a dominant player on both ends.  Gerald Green could jump and had a nice shooting stroke.

Obvious trolling is obvious. Do you know what "moving the goalposts" is?

You stated the team has tons of potential.

I stated Gerald green had potential too, as an example of how potential doesn't always pan out.

You then claim I tried to compare Green to Embiid, when your post, the one I responded too, was clearly about the team as a whole, and not any specific player.

Your attempt at bringing down the quality of conversation of this board is working magnifscently.

He didn't really move the goal posts because your point about Green presumes that Green had the same kind of potential that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Okafor, and Noel have and that just isn't true and it never was.  Those guys were all lottery picks and high lottery picks (except Saric who wasn't coming over for awhile) for a reason, especially when two of them were injured and were still high lottery picks.  Gerald Green was the 18th pick in a fairly weak draft for a reason.  Sure he had potential, but he never had anywhere near the same type of potential.  No one legitimately thought Green could be a franchise player, while the Sixers have at least two of those guys in Embiid and Simmons.  That is just a whole different type of potential.

I am afraid I have no idea how you got that from my post.

I was simply making the point that "potential" isn't always reached, so to act like it is a forgone conclusion that potential plays out, is quite foolish..

It's a more apt comment to make about a raw questionable prospect like Jaylen Brown who may never reach his potential.  Gerald Green, Jaylen Brown, Perry Jones were raw prospects who had theoretical potential to have potential.  Doesn't mean they'd actually reach that potential potential.   Save those comments for a Jaylen Brown thread.  It's less fitting when discussing a guy like Embiid who already looks like a supremely gifted world-beater despite clearly having a lot left to learn.

You are getting rediculous.

The comment I quoted was clearly referring to the potential of the team as a whole, not any particular player.

"Lol.  It's a few games into the season and half their team is injured.  If someone doesn't see the potential of that team at this point, they are blind."

I simply responded that Gerald, for example, had a lot of potential, to point out that potential is not always reached.

You are the one that keeps trying to imply I compared Greens potential to Embiid, when that never occured.

[LarBrd33]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine. 

[wayupnorth]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

[LarBrd33]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

[hpantazo]

I think it's clear that the potential of the Sixers is through the roof with Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor. It's a fair point though that as a team, there are many reasons why they may not meet that potential. #1 has already been discussed at length , too many big men who need playing time and money. There is also chemistry and commitment to teamwork vs individual success regardless of player positions , which is difficult to get from young guys looking to get stats so they get paid. Then there are injuries , which do happen , and finally some players individually don't meet their own potential.

Just look at the Pacers when they had Artest , Jermaine Oneal, and Jonathan Bender. That team at that time was widely considered to have a ton of potential.

Also the Bulls with Rose's MVP season and Noah , Deng, Mirotic on the way etc. that some said would win 5-6 titles.

[wayupnorth]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

What is your problem?

I have said in other threads Embiid is on the top tier of young big prospects, and if healthy he will have an excellent career.

I truly do not understand how this is not trolling, and how you are allowed to do it.

You make a false claim that I compared Gerald to Joel, and then when I ask you to show me where I made that comparison (because I didn't), and you respond with an Embiid highlight tape.

Mods can you explain to me how that is not someone posting just to get a reaction out of other posters?

[alldaboston]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

And, surprise, surprise. Copy paste the forum link into your browser, and it takes you to one of his animated gifs where he accuses everyone in the thread of calling Embiid a bust.

[LarBrd33]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

And, surprise, surprise. Copy paste the forum link into your browser, and it takes you to one of his animated gifs where he accuses everyone in the forum of calling Embiid a bust.

I think I accidentally copied a home dinger by mistake.  My bad.

[wayupnorth]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

And, surprise, surprise. Copy paste the forum link into your browser, and it takes you to one of his animated gifs where he accuses everyone in the thread of calling Embiid a bust.

I find it very frustrating that that sort of posting is allowed on such a quality board.

[LarBrd33]

Was listening to the Zach Lowe/Brian WIndhorst podcast and they discuss Embiid quite a bit.  They compare him to a baby giraffe.  Simply breathtaking to behold, but clearly has no idea what he's doing yet.  They suggest that he's probably at like 10% of what he'll eventually become.  SO yeah, obviously it remains to be seen if Embiid will reach his full potential.  But a dude who is able to torch Steven Adams, Dwight Howard and bully big men like Vucevic within his first 3 games... he's already an impact player even if he doesn't reach his sky high ceiling.

If you want to compare him to a breathtaking young big man who hasn't yet reached his ceiling, compare him to Karl Towns.   Bringing up Gerald Green is asinine.

You can't be serious.

Show me where I compared Embiid to Gerald.

Please

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87232.msg2176280#msg2176280

And, surprise, surprise. Copy paste the forum link into your browser, and it takes you to one of his animated gifs where he accuses everyone in the thread of calling Embiid a bust.

I find it very frustrating that that sort of posting is allowed on such a quality board.

I'm kidding around.  Relax.

You don't need me to point you in the direction of a post you made.  I said that you'd have to be blind to not see the potential of that Philly team.  Obviously referring to Embiid since this thread is about him, but also a reference to Ben Simmons... both are widely seen as transcendent prospects. 

For whatever reason you decided to follow that up by saying anyone that couldn't see Gerald Green's potential was blind.  It was an intentionally asinine comparison and you know it.  Green was taken 18th.  Few saw him as a "cant miss" prospect.   Nobody realistically saw Gerald Green as a guy you could build a franchise around.  There's a clear difference.