Joel Embiid now "the process"

[merkins]

So they are totally stacked at the 4 and 5 and still a bad team.  They should just be getting good as these guys get ready for their max deals.  The process only works if you win as a direct result of it.  Best they start flipping one or two of these guys for some talent at their other positions.Otherwise they'll continue on with the Stauskas of the league. Just because Simmons could play elsewhere on the court doesnt mean he should. 

[Moranis]

Philly back down to the bottom of the standings where they belong....

Another top 5 pick wallowing away in the coach's DNPs or with limited bench minutes and a pick 6 with a foot out the door because they drafted 3 guys at the same position.

Pathetic team construction, pathetic loser culture, and the fans aren't turning up. They can't give tickets away.

Geez the process is going well.

noel wasn't drafted as a result of the tanking.  Okafor is trying to get healthy right now.  He will play plenty of minutes when he's back in NBA condition.

I think you could argue that trading your only all star for a draft pick is tanking, but I get what you are saying.

im saying that when people call Noel a wasted draft pick they don't get it.  Noel wasn't the reward for tanking.  He was part of what lead to the reward.

The pelicans wouldn't have Anthony Davis had they not traded Chris Paul for eric Gordon and Austin rivers.   Likewise, Philly wouldn't have the potentially transcendent Embiid had they not traded holiday for Noel and saric.  And FWIW, saric looked brilliant yesterday putting up 21 points.  Saric for holiday straight-up right now... which team would say no?

The three guys Philly tanked for are Embiid, okafor and Simmons.  Two of those guys have superstar potential. Okafor, despite the overrreacting naysayers, has legit star potential.  Philly has been tremendously lucky with their tanking efforts.  They are 3 for 3.  I thought about this a lot when I watched the injury prone Marcus smart put up the worst shooting season in NBA history.  Hopefully smart makes a leap this year if he ever gets healthy.

Terrific trade by Philly. Scumbag move for them to hide Holliday's injury history.

most definitely, though Holiday does appear healthy this year, just too bad his wife had a tumor removed and he is rightfully with her and not playing.  I want to see what a healthy Holiday can do with Davis.

Likewise. Kind of surprising there were not harsher penalties on the 76ers for what they did. If it was the NFL they would have taken away the Patriots first round pick no matter who was involved in the trade.

Yeah they should have been hit harder than something like 3 million.  Maybe the league should have made them give the rights to Saric back to New Orleans.  At least that would have been a real penalty with some meat behind it.  Though Philly did deny the allegations, the league by fining them obviously thought there was something there.

[LarBrd33]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

[LarBrd33]

Philly back down to the bottom of the standings where they belong....

Another top 5 pick wallowing away in the coach's DNPs or with limited bench minutes and a pick 6 with a foot out the door because they drafted 3 guys at the same position.

Pathetic team construction, pathetic loser culture, and the fans aren't turning up. They can't give tickets away.

Geez the process is going well.

noel wasn't drafted as a result of the tanking.  Okafor is trying to get healthy right now.  He will play plenty of minutes when he's back in NBA condition.

I think you could argue that trading your only all star for a draft pick is tanking, but I get what you are saying.

im saying that when people call Noel a wasted draft pick they don't get it.  Noel wasn't the reward for tanking.  He was part of what lead to the reward.

The pelicans wouldn't have Anthony Davis had they not traded Chris Paul for eric Gordon and Austin rivers.   Likewise, Philly wouldn't have the potentially transcendent Embiid had they not traded holiday for Noel and saric.  And FWIW, saric looked brilliant yesterday putting up 21 points.  Saric for holiday straight-up right now... which team would say no?

The three guys Philly tanked for are Embiid, okafor and Simmons.  Two of those guys have superstar potential. Okafor, despite the overrreacting naysayers, has legit star potential.  Philly has been tremendously lucky with their tanking efforts.  They are 3 for 3.  I thought about this a lot when I watched the injury prone Marcus smart put up the worst shooting season in NBA history.  Hopefully smart makes a leap this year if he ever gets healthy.

Kind of seems like a weird question considering the 76ers were fined for being dishonest about Holiday's injuries. Add in the fact that Holiday is currently not playing because his wife may pass away from a brain tumor and it kind of seems like poor taste to talk about what a great trade it was for the 76ers and suggest hypothetical trades IMO.

So in other words, Philly says no.  They won that trade even if Noel walks for nothing... which is highly unlikely to happen.  They'll get somethin for him.

I'm rooting for Holiday, though.  He's honestly an underrated player.  Hopefully everything with his wife works out.  Last I heard her surgery went well and the team hopes to have him back as early as later this month.   I'm talking purely basketball though.  Pelicans would love to have Saric and Noel right now.

[LarBrd33]

So they are totally stacked at the 4 and 5 and still a bad team.  They should just be getting good as these guys get ready for their max deals.  The process only works if you win as a direct result of it.  Best they start flipping one or two of these guys for some talent at their other positions.Otherwise they'll continue on with the Stauskas of the league. Just because Simmons could play elsewhere on the court doesnt mean he should.

A lot of people think Simmons can and should play SF on both offense and defense. 

It will be interesting to see what that team looks like when everyone is healthy.  Bayless should make an impact when he's back as well.  Embiid is still on a 25 minute restriction.   I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the team make a little run in late January if the restrictions are lifted and Ben Simmons is back in the fold.  These things can turn around quickly when you have superstar talent.   Though it's fair to point out that despite Anthony Davis being a legit superstar, his team has remained awful... so it's not a guarantee the Sixers will have a Durant/OKC or LeBron/Cavs jump in the next few years. 

[wayupnorth]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

[guava_wrench]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Per 36 numbrs after 3 games is not yet a story.

I think Embiid will be great, but he has only played 63 minutes so far.

[celticsclay]

Philly back down to the bottom of the standings where they belong....

Another top 5 pick wallowing away in the coach's DNPs or with limited bench minutes and a pick 6 with a foot out the door because they drafted 3 guys at the same position.

Pathetic team construction, pathetic loser culture, and the fans aren't turning up. They can't give tickets away.

Geez the process is going well.

noel wasn't drafted as a result of the tanking.  Okafor is trying to get healthy right now.  He will play plenty of minutes when he's back in NBA condition.

I think you could argue that trading your only all star for a draft pick is tanking, but I get what you are saying.

im saying that when people call Noel a wasted draft pick they don't get it.  Noel wasn't the reward for tanking.  He was part of what lead to the reward.

The pelicans wouldn't have Anthony Davis had they not traded Chris Paul for eric Gordon and Austin rivers.   Likewise, Philly wouldn't have the potentially transcendent Embiid had they not traded holiday for Noel and saric.  And FWIW, saric looked brilliant yesterday putting up 21 points.  Saric for holiday straight-up right now... which team would say no?

The three guys Philly tanked for are Embiid, okafor and Simmons.  Two of those guys have superstar potential. Okafor, despite the overrreacting naysayers, has legit star potential.  Philly has been tremendously lucky with their tanking efforts.  They are 3 for 3.  I thought about this a lot when I watched the injury prone Marcus smart put up the worst shooting season in NBA history.  Hopefully smart makes a leap this year if he ever gets healthy.

Kind of seems like a weird question considering the 76ers were fined for being dishonest about Holiday's injuries. Add in the fact that Holiday is currently not playing because his wife may pass away from a brain tumor and it kind of seems like poor taste to talk about what a great trade it was for the 76ers and suggest hypothetical trades IMO.

So in other words, Philly says no.  They won that trade even if Noel walks for nothing... which is highly unlikely to happen.  They'll get somethin for him.

I'm rooting for Holiday, though.  He's honestly an underrated player.  Hopefully everything with his wife works out.  Last I heard her surgery went well and the team hopes to have him back as early as later this month.   I'm talking purely basketball though.  Pelicans would love to have Saric and Noel right now.

I didn't say that Philly says no. I said it was in kind of poor taste to ask right now. Don't put words in my mouth, especially if I am saying I think we could be a little more respectful. I think if you were out of work cause your wife might be dying your employer may put off discussing your annual review for a moment and if people started doing that in front of me I would have the same stance for you.


Lets be decent people.

[celticsclay]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

[wayupnorth]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

Yeah, I know the numbers, just pointing out how ole LarBrd felt compelled to use his per36 numbers, while leaving out that particular stat in order to try and further his point.

Sigh...

[LarBrd33]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

Yeah, I know the numbers, just pointing out how ole LarBrd felt compelled to use his per36 numbers, while leaving out that particular stat in order to try and further his point.

Sigh...

I'm on your side, wayupnorth.  I, too, am jealous of Philly fans.  I'd love to be watching Embiid in Boston. 

Take solace in the fact that Boston has a really good team this year and Philly is likely a few years out from having much success in the win/loss column.  Maybe that will take the edge off for you.  We still have a couple Brooklyn picks.  Still a chance we'll get a superstar some day too.

[wayupnorth]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

Yeah, I know the numbers, just pointing out how ole LarBrd felt compelled to use his per36 numbers, while leaving out that particular stat in order to try and further his point.

Sigh...

I'm on your side, wayupnorth.  I, too, am jealous of Philly fans.  I'd love to be watching Embiid in Boston. 

Take solace in the fact that Boston has a really good team this year and Philly is likely a few years out from having much success in the win/loss column.  Maybe that will take the edge off for you.  We still have a couple Brooklyn picks.  Still a chance we'll get a superstar some day too.

But, you aren't trolling at all.

"let me post these great per 36 numbers to say how great a guy is, but intentionally leave out the 7 turnovers he would average, and when someone calls me on that, I will simply turn around and say this guy must just be jealous of Philly."

Personally, I don't understand how the mods allow this, but as long as they do, here I am.

And now I will fly on outta here in my Roflcopter.

[BitterJim]

Philly back down to the bottom of the standings where they belong....

Another top 5 pick wallowing away in the coach's DNPs or with limited bench minutes and a pick 6 with a foot out the door because they drafted 3 guys at the same position.

Pathetic team construction, pathetic loser culture, and the fans aren't turning up. They can't give tickets away.

Geez the process is going well.

noel wasn't drafted as a result of the tanking.  Okafor is trying to get healthy right now.  He will play plenty of minutes when he's back in NBA condition.

I think you could argue that trading your only all star for a draft pick is tanking, but I get what you are saying.

im saying that when people call Noel a wasted draft pick they don't get it.  Noel wasn't the reward for tanking.  He was part of what lead to the reward.

The pelicans wouldn't have Anthony Davis had they not traded Chris Paul for eric Gordon and Austin rivers.   Likewise, Philly wouldn't have the potentially transcendent Embiid had they not traded holiday for Noel and saric.  And FWIW, saric looked brilliant yesterday putting up 21 points.  Saric for holiday straight-up right now... which team would say no?

The three guys Philly tanked for are Embiid, okafor and Simmons.  Two of those guys have superstar potential. Okafor, despite the overrreacting naysayers, has legit star potential.  Philly has been tremendously lucky with their tanking efforts.  They are 3 for 3.  I thought about this a lot when I watched the injury prone Marcus smart put up the worst shooting season in NBA history.  Hopefully smart makes a leap this year if he ever gets healthy.

Terrific trade by Philly. Scumbag move for them to hide Holliday's injury history.

most definitely, though Holiday does appear healthy this year, just too bad his wife had a tumor removed and he is rightfully with her and not playing.  I want to see what a healthy Holiday can do with Davis.

Likewise. Kind of surprising there were not harsher penalties on the 76ers for what they did. If it was the NFL they would have taken away the Patriots first round pick no matter who was involved in the trade.

Yeah they should have been hit harder than something like 3 million.  Maybe the league should have made them give the rights to Saric back to New Orleans.  At least that would have been a real penalty with some meat behind it.  Though Philly did deny the allegations, the league by fining them obviously thought there was something there.

When OKC was found to have known about Green's heart issues before trading him, they had to give up a first round pick, and even then the penalty was too lax.  With Holiday it should have been a worse punishment, not just a $3 million fine, considering what they got in return

[LarBrd33]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

Yeah, I know the numbers, just pointing out how ole LarBrd felt compelled to use his per36 numbers, while leaving out that particular stat in order to try and further his point.

Sigh...

I'm on your side, wayupnorth.  I, too, am jealous of Philly fans.  I'd love to be watching Embiid in Boston. 

Take solace in the fact that Boston has a really good team this year and Philly is likely a few years out from having much success in the win/loss column.  Maybe that will take the edge off for you.  We still have a couple Brooklyn picks.  Still a chance we'll get a superstar some day too.

"let me post these great per 36 numbers to say how great a guy is, but intentionally leave out the 7 turnovers he would average, and when someone calls me on that, I will simply turn around and say this guy must just be jealous of Philly."

I might have misinterpreted your "sigh".  I thought you were sighing, because you wish Embiid was playing in Boston.   

I never include turnovers or fouls when referencing stats.  I always list points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and shooting percentages.   Embiid's had some turnovers, but that's not at all important right now.  The kid is shaking off two years of rust and is trying to get into some kind of rhythm in a brand new system.   The fact that he is putting up dominant stats this early is incredibly impressive. 

[celticsclay]

DeMarcus Cousins per 36 numbers as a 20 year old rookie.

17.8 pts
10.9 rebs
3.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blks
4.2 turnovers

Embiid's Per-36 through the first 3 games of his professional career after 2 years off:  29.7 points, 11 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 4.6 blocks, 0.6 steals with 46% shooting, 40% from three and 76% from the line.

Pretty awesome.  One of the best storylines of the league this year.  Hopefully he doesn't hurt something else.

Embiid is averaging zero turnovers per 36 minutes?

That is amazing.

This is not true. I think LB just made an oversight in haste. He actually leads all frontcourt players in averaging 3.7 turnovers. If we want to be silly this would 6.3 per 3.6, but nobody is reasonably  going to put out per 36 numbers for a guy that will never play 36 minutes per game in his career right?

Yeah, I know the numbers, just pointing out how ole LarBrd felt compelled to use his per36 numbers, while leaving out that particular stat in order to try and further his point.

Sigh...

I'm on your side, wayupnorth.  I, too, am jealous of Philly fans.  I'd love to be watching Embiid in Boston. 

Take solace in the fact that Boston has a really good team this year and Philly is likely a few years out from having much success in the win/loss column.  Maybe that will take the edge off for you.  We still have a couple Brooklyn picks.  Still a chance we'll get a superstar some day too.

But, you aren't trolling at all.

"let me post these great per 36 numbers to say how great a guy is, but intentionally leave out the 7 turnovers he would average, and when someone calls me on that, I will simply turn around and say this guy must just be jealous of Philly."

Personally, I don't understand how the mods allow this, but as long as they do, here I am.

And now I will fly on outta here in my Roflcopter.

I do agree with some of this. I am pretty sure every single person that has seen him play likes Embiid and actually roots for the kid. I have said I do myself multiple times and that is all I see in this thread. However, LB is trying to annoy people by randomly saying people are jealous. I don't really understand why. We could just enjoy this guys game together without that nonsense.