If we are going with tier 3 prospects who were athletic, but raw coming out of college, I prefer using Kawhi Leonard as a comparison. At least he plays the same position as Jaylen.
Yes this is the proverbial moving the goalposts by lb. nice to see so few falling for it. Tps around. Let's drink the good stuff tonight fellas.
Great point and one larbrd would never make.
But one he should respond to if he has any integrity.
And while he's at it I'd like to see him respond to a Paul George comparison too.
Chad Ford-
George is the upside pick of the draft and a bit of a risk for the Pacers. He has all the physical tools to be a Tracy McGrady-like player in the pros, but he hasn't produced anything like T-Mac. In two years at Fresno State he never really dominated. The Pacers are swinging for the fences with this one. If he develops, it's a great pick for Indiana. But he also has the potential to be a Brandon Rush-type of disappointment too.
Nice. Was he tier three, as well?
Once again, another terrible example. Paul George was drafted behind 9 other players included Wesley johnson, Ekpe Udoh and Al-Faroug Aminu (all of which wasn't Chad Ford's fault). We're talking about players who were considered a "reach" at the top of a weak draft class. Bennett went #1 despite being raw, because of his "potential". Brown went 3rd (in a two player draft) despite being raw, because of his "potential". That's a perfect comparison.
Another decent example would be Nik Stauskas. He was a Tier 3 prospect who was taken at the top of his crop (considered by many a reach) based on perceived potential. But at least in Stauskas' case he was believed to have NBA-ready shooting. It's not a perfect comp, because unlike Bennett/Brown, Stauskas wasn't a raw prospect being drafted primarily for his perceived potential... he was selected, because they thought he could make an impact shooting immediately. Bennett remains the best comp.
Before it was all about the tiers? Now it's all about where the player was drafted?
So, in your game Jaylen Brown can only be compared to other players who were in Chard Ford's third tier yet were drafted higher than most mock drafts had them ranked?
In my game we are allowed to compare him to other players who play the same position, were considered good, raw athletic talents out of college, but were risks due to needing considerable refinements to their game, like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. T-Mac back in the day, springs to mind as well. I don't know if Chad Ford was doing his tiers back then, though.
Exactly. Classic LB.
First of all, I spent half a month trying to explain to Clay that Marcus Smart was seen as a greater level prospect than Jaylen Brown when he first entered the draft. Two years of disappointing play doesn't change the fact that expectations were higher than Smart. A frequent rebuttal I saw was that Jaylen was drafted #3 and Smart was drafted #6... a ridiculous argument considering each draft is different and 2014 was seen as having a much greater crop of top-tier prospects towards the top. So on that note, I'm merely saying that SOME would argue Bennett is a greater prospect based on the fact he went #1 to Jaylen's #3. Clearly, my stance on that has been pretty well-documented. I don't care where either was drafted. Consult "The Tiers™" and you'll see that Anthony Bennett, Jaylen Brown, Nik Stauskas were all considered comparable prospects at their time of entering the draft, and who would go 1st over them would depend on which team was on the clock. I stand by my statement that Anthony Bennett (#1 in a garbage draft) and Jaylen Brown (#3 in a garbage draft that also had two potential stars above the rest) were comparable prospects and were taken higher than expected for similar reasons. I stand by my belief Jaylen could flourish where Bennett failed primarily because of motivation, mentality, and the environment he's being drafted into. I remain confident in Jaylen's ability to surpass expectations and become a great player some day. I agree with folks like GoCanada who have said that optimism for Jaylen's career wouldn't be the same if he was being drafted by a team like the Kings at #8 as widely expected.
Sorry buddy you didn't fool anyone on this one. Leonard was a tier 3 is that is what we are using and is way more similar to brown in every way. Let it go.
Sorry but Leonard went 15th and is irrelevant to this discussion. You can't just cheery pick any rando picked mid-to-late 1st as your comp for Jaylen. We're talking about equal-level prospects with similar expectations. If Jaylen was picked in the middle of the 1st, we'd have a comparison here. if Leonard had gone at the top of his draft, we'd have a comparison here. If we're talking about comparable level prospects who were reached for way higher than expected, Bennett = Brown. I suggest you step outside this bubble, and visit a forum not blinded by Celtic green. Expections for Jaylen are minimal. How you feel about Bennett today is irrelevant to how you felt about him in 2013. I'm sorry if you guys have tunnel vision or poor memories. Let me remind you that Anthony Bennett went #1 in a draft... the Cavs clearly were high on him... they didn't just take him as a gag. Clearly, Boston has higher expectations for Brown than others did. It's an identical situation. I suggest you Let it go.
I don't know why the rule is that you can only compare players drafted within, say, five spots of each other?
I'm not following that arbitrary rule of player comparison. I refuse. I will continue to prioritize playing the same position, having similar skills and weaknesses, and similar athletic profiles when making my comparisons.
So, go ahead and keep comparing a stretch four to a slashing 2/3 because of their tiers and their draft position. I won't stop you, but I'll probably keep pointing out that there are better criteria upon which to base your comparisons.
I'm not talking about style of play. If we're talking about style of play, I agree with Eddie20 and his comparing Jaylen to Brandon Rush.
I'm talking about prospects in general, the expectations for those prospects, and where those prospects were drafted.
When Anthony Bennett and Jaylen Brown entered the draft, neither was seen widely as having star potential. When both entered the draft, the draft was seen as pretty much a crap-shoot of mediocrity... frequently called a "down draft". When both entered the draft, they were seen as not being NBA-ready, but having tools that could maybe develop into something. When both entered the draft, they were seen as having high bust potential. When both entered the draft, they were taken higher than expected (labelled "a reach" by a lot of media), but both selections were seen as defensible, because there were no stand-out options and both had perceived high ceilings if things worked out.
It's an accurate comp - especially if we're talking about Jaylen's trainer admitting he has a lot of work to do in spite of his high selection.
Clearly Bennett is a different type of player. Clearly that's why people are bringing up players like Brandon Rush, Gerald Green and JR Smith. I'm talking about the level of the prospect, not the type of prospect. Guys who project anywhere on the bust-to-starter spectrum who get surprisingly taken high based on perceived potential by a team taking a gamble.
There was no "gamble" to be made selecting Kawahi at #15. He doesn't really fit in this discussion. If Jaylen had slipped a few spots and got selected mid 1st, I wouldn't blame a team for saying, "You know, despite the fact Jaylen Brown went 15th and expectations are minimal, I still think we can look towards Kawahi Leonard as a hopeful projection". Unfortunately for Jaylen, he went #3 - so we have to look towards other raw guys widely seen to not have star potential who weren't NBA-ready and got taken at the top by a team willing to roll dice. Kwame Brown might be a decent comp, but "The Tiers" didn't exist back then.
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