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ko at sf
« on: August 18, 2016, 11:43:26 AM »

Offline jacigar

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I think it may be time to move Kelly outside. He has always been a decent ball handler, and never a mix it up in traffic, player. He is our best 3 point shooter. Brown is a ,go to the rim ,player. A mixture of Ko-Crowder-Brown on wing would give us some great combinations, in different situations. Guards (4): IT-AB-Rozier_Smart Wings (3) : KO-Crowder-Brown Bigs(3): Harford-AJ-Mickey. I would like Noel as rim protector. Jerebko-Zeller-Hunter-Young-Bentil-Nader-Jackson-contend for non rotation spots. Our Euro stashes and future draft picks and FA signings will provide further chips. Kelly has lifetime 2pt % of .509 3pt .373 ft .746 
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 11:56:44 AM »

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KO isn't capable of defending SFs, so moving him to that spot makes no sense.  He's a stretch 4, so he already plays on the outside, but in no way is he capable of playing SF
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Re: ko at sf
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 11:58:16 AM »

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iirc when young he was playing PG.

He still has good court vision and dribble.

Problem is he does not have the fast footwork required for the position, and I can't blame him, he is 7ft tall. Even players with better fundamentals than Kelly (Pau, Dirk) did not play SF. Those who did (Kukoc, Giannis) are at a completely different level when it comes to dribbling, passing, speed, explosiveness etc.

And even if this works offensively, I cannot imagine Kelly defending a SF.

I think playing as stretch four fits him much better.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 11:58:46 AM »

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I think he is only good as a stretch 5. There was data a while back that showed that was his best position on the floor. At the 4 he got burned too much.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 12:33:06 PM »

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Quote from: jacigar on August 18, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
I think it may be time to move Kelly outside. He has always been a decent ball handler, and never a mix it up in traffic, player. He is our best 3 point shooter. Brown is a ,go to the rim ,player. A mixture of Ko-Crowder-Brown on wing would give us some great combinations, in different situations. Guards (4): IT-AB-Rozier_Smart Wings (3) : KO-Crowder-Brown Bigs(3): Harford-AJ-Mickey. I would like Noel as rim protector. Jerebko-Zeller-Hunter-Young-Bentil-Nader-Jackson-contend for non rotation spots. Our Euro stashes and future draft picks and FA signings will provide further chips. Kelly has lifetime 2pt % of .509 3pt .373 ft .746



Kelly can hardly cover all but the slowest PF's in the league, never mind fleet footed small forwards.
They'll blow past him, and get to the rim routinely. Not good idea.

KO is a stretch 4/5 best coming off the bench.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 01:41:35 PM »

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Your position should be based on what you can guard, not your offensive abilities.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 01:50:26 PM »

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When I saw the title I said...another off the wall crazy idea.   He is already bad on D, imagine him trying to cover.    Then a guy like Lebron would be able to D him up easy too.   Hes slow.... 

KO neeeds to learn how to play Center.   That is how he will impact the game at an All star level.    He will not be the next Dirk.... (chances are) 


With Crowder and Brown the SF minutes are taken.... With JJ filling in.   That is my opinion...

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 02:07:10 PM »

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Well, if slow-as-molasses Dario Saric is going to swoop in and lead the Sixers to greatness by switching to SF, then I guess KO can too.  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 02:07:28 PM »

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Quote from: Diggles on August 18, 2016, 01:50:26 PM
When I saw the title I said...another off the wall crazy idea.   He is already bad on D, imagine him trying to cover.    Then a guy like Lebron would be able to D him up easy too.   Hes slow.... 

I'm imagining him putting Lebron in an arm bar.  I may have gotten a bit sexually excited.
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Re: ko at sfother SF
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 02:31:14 PM »

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As i thought, everyone thinks of LJ. 1- LJ drives to the hoop twice as much as any other SF. 2- nobody in the league can cover him driving. 3-If Kelly was getting switchoff help from a PF, that can play defense AJ or Mickey I think he could succeed.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2016, 02:32:32 PM »

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Further ,I do not believe he will ever play defense down low.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 03:13:21 PM »

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As others have said, KO is really too slow, particularly in a league that is going smaller--and as a consequence, faster--more often.

If KO was really a transcendent offensive talent along the lines of Dirk Nowitzki, I suppose I one could gamble on the fact that he'd make smaller defenders pay so badly that the defensive drop off would be offset. But while KO has a nifty little offensive game, he's no Dirk.

I am, however, encouraged by the thought of KO playing next to Horford or Johnson nearly all his minutes along with a strong defensive cast at the 1-3. That should cover any defensive deficiencies and playing next to Horford should give him even more open looks.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2016, 04:24:58 PM »

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Well KO plays fantastic positional D as a big. He just can't guard anything at the rim. Reminds me of how Bird just ducked and let the two go just cuz there's nothing he can do.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2016, 07:42:54 PM »

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Quote from: jacigar on August 18, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
As i thought, everyone thinks of LJ. 1- LJ drives to the hoop twice as much as any other SF. 2- nobody in the league can cover him driving. 3-If Kelly was getting switchoff help from a PF, that can play defense AJ or Mickey I think he could succeed.
Believe me, every SF would drive to the hoop a lot more if guarded by Kelly.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2016, 08:06:40 PM »

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KO struggles to defend slower players at the 4 slot, can you imagine what opposing SFs would do to him?

In theory KO is the perfect modern 4/5 for today's NBA game. If he reaches half the potential he could be a big difference maker but he has a long ways to go.
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