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How much better are the Celts with the addition of Horford, Green, Brown?

Only a better record in the regular season
Able to get past the 1st round of the playoffs but not further
Real shot at making ECF

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Offline LarBrd33

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Horford is a big addition.  Seems most expect us to win about 55 games this year.    Green and Brown are less significant in the short-term.  If we keep Brown, he's someone who hopefully will make a major impact long-term.

On paper, we have a real shot of making the ECF this season.  I'd say as long as Golden State is healthy, every other team is further away from winning a title than they were last season.

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Turner is going to be missed more than we think.  Brad Stevens, Danny Anige all said he was key to the second unit.    Also Portland was willing to pay him 17 Million a year.....   So all the posters on here can't ignore that.

I disagree. At times hr was too much of a ball hog. Along with It. That the other guys didnt get a chance to show what they had

This year smart, rozier, brown will all get some time handling the ball. And i welcome to see this

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Horford is a big addition.  Seems most expect us to win about 55 games this year.    Green and Brown are less significant in the short-term.  If we keep Brown, he's someone who hopefully will make a major impact long-term.

On paper, we have a real shot of making the ECF this season.  I'd say as long as Golden State is healthy, every other team is further away from winning a title than they were last season.

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Offline MJohnnyboy

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It all depends on how both the additions and departures affect the team.

With the additions, the Celtics' spacing, interior defense, and energy should be better.

With the departures, the Celtics' rebounding and second unit scoring could suffer.

As some other posters have said, the impact of Turner's departure all depends on how good Marcus Smart is. That's actually something I'm looking forward to is seeing how Smart does now that he's been given the keys to the second unit. Is he the guy who the optimists believe he could be or the guy who the pessimists insists he has been?

As for Sullinger's departure, I do think the rebounding void he left may sting a little but not as bad as some fear, but that's just the optimist in me. Seriously though, that's the only aspect of Sullinger's game that really helped the team and not much else. At least not anywhere where Horford couldn't fill or even improve. Factor in that he was essentially phased out by the team by the end makes me think Sully gone won't hurt as much as Turner's might.

I can't say anything that other posters haven't already said about Horford. Him coming is huge even if it doesn't put the Celtics on Cleveland's level, but he should be a great fit on this team.

I've said a few times I think Green coming could have a bigger payoff than most think. He runs the floor and he can shoot which is what this team likes from its players. The guy is two years removed from being an MIP and 6th man of the year candidate, and now he's back in a system that should suit him. Even if I'm dead wrong about him, it's not like it matters. He's on a veterans minimum contract.

I don't expect Brown to make a huge impact this season, which of course, will lead to a lot of "Danny whiffed again!" comments around here, but I think he'll be huge down the line. That is if he's still on the team a few years down the line.

I'm really excited for this upcoming season. This off-season was great even if the Celtics missed on the biggest prize of the summer.

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It's amazing how pessimistic people here are. Horford was the second biggest FA signing this summer, and he's almost a literal perfect fit for us. I don't expect too much out of Brown, but he'll help some off the bench, along with Green's shooting.

All that being said, I expect around 7-10 more wins in the regular season with the combination of summer additions, better chemistry, and development/better play, specifically from Rozier, Smart, Crowder, and KO. Just having another bonafied star in Horford is huge because it takes the focus off of others, allowing them more space to work and shoot. And having Smart actually being the leader of the second unit rather than being limited behind Turner will be a major benefit for Smart and the team.

It'll be a failure if we don't get to the ECF and give Cleveland a good series this year. It's as simple as that.
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Turner is going to be missed more than we think.  Brad Stevens, Danny Anige all said he was key to the second unit.    Also Portland was willing to pay him 17 Million a year.....   So all the posters on here can't ignore that.

yup. he got us a ton of wins singlehandedly. people seemingly dont want to admit that. he was very clutch, and aside from isaiah, was the only guy who could go and get a few buckets in a row (especially during those offensive droughts we had).

He will definitely be missed more than most think.
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I think we have to look at it beyond simply the additions and the subtractions - you also have to consider the existing young prospects on the roster, and how they might potentially improve.

Key factors that I see...


Loss of Evan Turner
Turner is one of those guys who made an impact (for better or worse) every time he stepped on the court.  There were times when he would be a bit too gung-ho and it would hurt us, but his ability to create plays, as both a scorer and a distributor, was a huge key for us last season.  Similarly important were his ability to rise up in the clutch, and his versatility (he played everything from PG to PF at some point or other).

I'm looking at Terry Rozier as the the guy I hope can step up and fill much of that void.  He can handle the ball, he is improving as a passer, he is an excellent rebounder for a perimeter player, and he can get into the paint almost at will.  Also he has already shown he can score and that he is fearless in the clutch.  It's a bit in the "wishful thinking" category hoping that he can take that step, but I like Rozier a lot and I'm hopefuly he can prove me right.


Loss of Jared Sullinger
The only way I see this potentially affecting us is in the area of rebounding.  Sully was a productive offensive player for us, but was also incredibly inconsistent - Horford will be a significant upgrade over Sullinger both offensively and defensively, but he's never been on Sully's level as a rebounder.  That could hurt us potentially, which is why I would REALLY like to see us adding Nerlens Noel if we can.  Noel isn't a standout rebounder, but he can at least hold his own and also defends the paint well.


Adding Green
I don't think this is going to have a huge impact for us.  Assuming Hunter and Young don't make the active roster, we are pretty much 4-5 men (at a squeeze) deep at every perimeter position:

PG: Thomas / Rozier / Smart / Bradley (in emergencies)
SG: Bradley / Smart / Green / Rozier 
SF: Crowder / Brown / Green / Jerebko / Smart (in emergencies)

I don't expect Danny would draft Brown so high just to bury him deep in the bench - I expect him to start the season out as Crowder's primary backup at the SF spot, and that the backup minutes will be his to earn / lose.  I think Green will be there primarily for depth reasons (in case of injuries, in case of trades, or in case Brown proves too raw to play meaningful minutes minutes).

I think Green is going to have a role similar to that of Jerebko - he prboably won't contribute much on a day to day basis, but there are going to be moments (during injuries, foul trouble, etc) where Green he'll be called upon, and his presence will be invaluable.


Adding Horford
I think the biggest improvement we might gain from Horford is actually rim protection. 

Last year Amir Johnson was the only guy on this roster who was legitimately capable of protecting the basket, but his health limited how much he could stay on the court - and every time he sat down, our interior defense was vulnerable.

The addition of Horford provides us with another capable interior defender who can protect the paint for us while Amir sits - it ensures that we can have a solid interior defender on the court, at all times.   When those to are on the court together, this team will be borderline epic defensively - it should be the best defensive front court the Celtics have had since the KG/Perk duo.

Offensively, I'm not yet sure what to expect from Horford.  He's one of the better post players in the NBA offensively (both as a scorer and as a passer), and yet he spent most of his offense last season standing out on the perimeter.  Considering how lacking we are in post offense, I'd like to see us utilise Horford's inside game more - post him up, give him the ball, and run the offense through him.  If we alternate between running our offense through Horford inside and Thomas on the perimeter, it should make us a tough offense to defend - especially with Bradley and Crowder being capable shooters on the outside.

Rebounding is going to likely hurt us, unless Horford can find a way to give us 9-10 rebounds a night, which I think will be a tough ask for a guy who hasn't put up those kind of rebounding numbers in years.  Hopefully we'll be good enough offensively and defensively to make up for out lack of rebounding, but given the number of long jumpers this team will be throwing up I think it could be a real Achilles heel for us.

On the plus side our defense should be world class, which should help to feed into our transition game - which should be one of the best in the league.  To add to that, two of our three most inefficient outside shooters (Sully, Turner) are gone, with Smart the only one left.  Almost everybody on this team can now defend, run in transition, and shoot jumpers.  Should be a fun, fun team to watch.

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It's amazing how pessimistic people here are. Horford was the second biggest FA signing this summer, and he's almost a literal perfect fit for us. I don't expect too much out of Brown, but he'll help some off the bench, along with Green's shooting.

All that being said, I expect around 7-10 more wins in the regular season with the combination of summer additions, better chemistry, and development/better play, specifically from Rozier, Smart, Crowder, and KO. Just having another bonafied star in Horford is huge because it takes the focus off of others, allowing them more space to work and shoot. And having Smart actually being the leader of the second unit rather than being limited behind Turner will be a major benefit for Smart and the team.

It'll be a failure if we don't get to the ECF and give Cleveland a good series this year. It's as simple as that.

I dont mean to add to the negativity. But lets face it, it was durant ----------- then the rest

Horford couldnt help atl muster one win against the cavs in the playoffs. He did play well though

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Horford is clearly an upgrade from Sully and will clearly translate to more wins as a direct positional/role replacement. However I believe he only slightly moves the needle in the playoffs. The key to winning one or more playoff series is going to come from the growth and production of Smart, Rozier and Brown. How they handle Turners minutes will dictate a lot of this teams future. 
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So hard to say right now, my guess would be we are 2-3 games better but really I don't know. Either way I'm excited about the season! :)

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I've said it before and it bears repeating again here.  Horford is a significantly better player than Sullinger, but his skill set won't improve the win total all that much because Boston was already a strong defensive team and has some solid outside shooting big men (JJ, KO).  Horford also isn't the rebounder Sullinger is and that is one area Boston was really weak last year (and is now weaker at).  So, yes, Horford is significantly better than Sullinger, but he isn't significantly better in the areas he really needs to be better to move the win total much.  To expect more than a win or two because of Horford is setting yourself up for a let down.   
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I think we are legit contenders.   People are harping on that missing piece.  But we are an extremely talented team that shouldn't be overlooked.  Isaiah, Horford plus the collection of Rozier, Smart, Brown, AB, Crowder.  Plus additional guys like Amir, KO, Jerebko, Green, Mickey, Jackson and Hunter give us a balanced fast athletic smart roster.   We could use another big man and a legit guy but I'm in no rush to make those moves.  We are reaching overflow a bit with Yab and Zizic stashed and depending on what we do with guys like Nader, Bentil and Young but we have a talented roster.  I'd like Ainge to try to maybe get a big man in here where we aren't giving up much of our core.  I'd like to maybe package some of the overflow without giving up the nets picks where we can really continue to build this into a dynasty.

We aren't top of the heap but we are in the top 5-10 teams, top 5 if things go right which makes us contenders.

With a coach like Stevens and a front office with Danny and company I don't see why we can't upset some people.    We have good ownership and aren't making the stupid moves so far.  We aren't reaching yet which is good. I hope that continues.  We have very good core guys and very good  young players as well.  Stevens has his hands full managing this roster a bit and so does Ainge but they are doing what I want them to do so far.  They haven't done anything I disagree with.  I'm a little concerned we might start to lose some quality guys like Nader but that's pretty minor and hopefully we have a plan there.
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Horford is a big addition.  Seems most expect us to win about 55 games this year.    Green and Brown are less significant in the short-term.  If we keep Brown, he's someone who hopefully will make a major impact long-term.

On paper, we have a real shot of making the ECF this season.  I'd say as long as Golden State is healthy, every other team is further away from winning a title than they were last season.

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We are a much better regular season team. But are we really that better of a playoff team? We've been exposed two years in a row now. I know people will point to crowder and Avery being hurt, and I get that. But does Horford change the fact that teams still know how to stop our main offensive machine, Isaiah Thomas?

Sorry if I sound negative, it's just, I want to be excited, but I also don't want to get a reality check in April and May. The regular season is all good and well, but can this team move on in the playoffs? I'll wait and see.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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