stanley johnson and winslow a good measure

[Boris Badenov]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

Well Brown has a much better first step than Smart, combined with his NBA ready body and he may not struggle too much.

Maybe. I'm just saying that sort of dribble-drive is about the easiest thing for any decent NBA defense to deal with.

And in Brown's defense he is already shiftier on those drives than Smart. Ultimately I think the skill will translate. Just maybe not right away.

Dribble drives by elite athletes isn't easy to deal with without a double or triple team. Brown is at a way higher level at it than Smart. At best Smart might get an angle more consistently when at his peak. Brown should blow by guys who don't give him 2+ feet of space every time.

I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I'm iust talking about Brown's ability to get on the floor next year as a rookie. When I say "that kind of dribble drive" I mean one by a 19 year old who's been used to overpowering people and hasn't faced NBA defenses.

With a slight difference I believe Brown is similar to Eddie Jones his drive game will translate early and won't be easily defended. His overall game will come slow like Jones.

Are we talking about the same Eddie Jones? Because the one I'm thinking of was 23 as a rookie and about as NBA-ready as it gets. He immediately stepped in as a starter on a really good playoff team.

[Csfan1984]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

Well Brown has a much better first step than Smart, combined with his NBA ready body and he may not struggle too much.

Maybe. I'm just saying that sort of dribble-drive is about the easiest thing for any decent NBA defense to deal with.

And in Brown's defense he is already shiftier on those drives than Smart. Ultimately I think the skill will translate. Just maybe not right away.

Dribble drives by elite athletes isn't easy to deal with without a double or triple team. Brown is at a way higher level at it than Smart. At best Smart might get an angle more consistently when at his peak. Brown should blow by guys who don't give him 2+ feet of space every time.

I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I'm iust talking about Brown's ability to get on the floor next year as a rookie. When I say "that kind of dribble drive" I mean one by a 19 year old who's been used to overpowering people and hasn't faced NBA defenses.

With a slight difference I believe Brown is similar to Eddie Jones his drive game will translate early and won't be easily defended. His overall game will come slow like Jones.

Are we talking about the same Eddie Jones? Because the one I'm thinking of was 23 as a rookie and about as NBA-ready as it gets. He immediately stepped in as a starter on a really good playoff team.

Why are you caught up on age? Clearly Jones was a rookie and his game and measurables are very much the same as Brown. Age has little to do with the step up. It's the game and their bodies.

[crimson_stallion]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

I don't think Smart's path is any reflection of how we should expect Brown to go when it comes to the driving game.

Smart doesn't have the athleticism to give him an edge over the average NBA guard.  He struggled finishing over length even in college, and everybody knew he may lack the speed to blow by NBA defenders.

Brown's size, speed and leaping ability make him a LOT harder to keep out of the paint.

I dont like to use this as a measuring stick, but if you look at smart in summer league, he wasbt exactly getting into the paint (and to the line) at will.  Brown got to the basket at historic rate, and even if he struggled  to finish at the basket his ability to get to the line largely made up for that.  If you can gey 17 free throw attempts in a game, you can afford to miss some layups.

[Boris Badenov]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

Well Brown has a much better first step than Smart, combined with his NBA ready body and he may not struggle too much.

Maybe. I'm just saying that sort of dribble-drive is about the easiest thing for any decent NBA defense to deal with.

And in Brown's defense he is already shiftier on those drives than Smart. Ultimately I think the skill will translate. Just maybe not right away.

Dribble drives by elite athletes isn't easy to deal with without a double or triple team. Brown is at a way higher level at it than Smart. At best Smart might get an angle more consistently when at his peak. Brown should blow by guys who don't give him 2+ feet of space every time.

I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I'm iust talking about Brown's ability to get on the floor next year as a rookie. When I say "that kind of dribble drive" I mean one by a 19 year old who's been used to overpowering people and hasn't faced NBA defenses.

With a slight difference I believe Brown is similar to Eddie Jones his drive game will translate early and won't be easily defended. His overall game will come slow like Jones.

Are we talking about the same Eddie Jones? Because the one I'm thinking of was 23 as a rookie and about as NBA-ready as it gets. He immediately stepped in as a starter on a really good playoff team.

Why are you caught up on age? Clearly Jones was a rookie and his game and measurables are very much the same as Brown. Age has little to do with the step up. It's the game and their bodies.

I'm not "hung up on age." It's a weird comp. To say Jones's "overall game came slow" is just flat wrong. To say their "measurables are very much the same" is flat wrong.

Brown at 19 outweighs 22-year-old Jones by 40 pounds. Brown is longer and stronger by a wide margin.

Jones was a really good 3 pt shooter from the get go and Brown is mediocre to bad.

Jones was a defensive menace known for his BBIQ while Brown shows defensive "potential" and is hardly known for his on-court savvy.

I don't know. I like Brown but Jones is just not really a guy who seems similar.
 

[rollie mass]

stanley has about 20 lbs on jaylen but same height and wingspan ,winslow 1 inch shorter along with shorter wingspan but higher standing reach
stanley seems the better shooter and that also shows in his free throws %

its priceless these summer workouts with marcus and micha for both players-3months of hard work for jalen-no school,just improvement and the first season marcus comes back to pre season healthy
i am notone that believes 19year olds should get gifted minutes by draft selection-there is just an adjustment period finding out what works for rookies

[Boris Badenov]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

I don't think Smart's path is any reflection of how we should expect Brown to go when it comes to the driving game.

Smart doesn't have the athleticism to give him an edge over the average NBA guard.  He struggled finishing over length even in college, and everybody knew he may lack the speed to blow by NBA defenders.

Brown's size, speed and leaping ability make him a LOT harder to keep out of the paint.

I dont like to use this as a measuring stick, but if you look at smart in summer league, he wasbt exactly getting into the paint (and to the line) at will.  Brown got to the basket at historic rate, and even if he struggled  to finish at the basket his ability to get to the line largely made up for that.  If you can gey 17 free throw attempts in a game, you can afford to miss some layups.

Just to be clear I wasn't saying Brown and Smart are comparable in terms of driving, Brown has an edge for sure.

Just saying that it's a tough skill for rookies to translate immediately, especially if the outside threat isn't there. I could see Brown picking up a fair amount of offensive fouls early on.

[greece66]

johnson drafted number eight by detroit had a very productive rookie year as did winslow at a slower pace
stanley was productive early with some double digit games shot .301 from 3 point and averaged 8 points -shoots almost 80% from line and hit 5 3's in one game
winslow avg 6.4 and shot .276 from three and about 69% free throws

rollie, I am not sure I follow.

A good measure for what? Jaylen?

[rollie mass]

these two have similar size ,wingspan and weight  as well as draft position-so their rookie years are good to use as a measure of how well brown does in his rookie year

[e4sym0de]

Brown will play on a better team with more competition at his position. I dont see him having the production Winslow and Johnson had in their rookie seasons. So unless you look at more advanced metrics I dont think it will be a good comparison.

[cornbread1981]

Since were talking about rookies jaylen will wear number 7 and Demetrius is 9

[action781]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

Well Brown has a much better first step than Smart, combined with his NBA ready body and he may not struggle too much.

Maybe. I'm just saying that sort of dribble-drive is about the easiest thing for any decent NBA defense to deal with.

And in Brown's defense he is already shiftier on those drives than Smart. Ultimately I think the skill will translate. Just maybe not right away.

Dribble drives by elite athletes isn't easy to deal with without a double or triple team. Brown is at a way higher level at it than Smart. At best Smart might get an angle more consistently when at his peak. Brown should blow by guys who don't give him 2+ feet of space every time.

I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I'm iust talking about Brown's ability to get on the floor next year as a rookie. When I say "that kind of dribble drive" I mean one by a 19 year old who's been used to overpowering people and hasn't faced NBA defenses.

With a slight difference I believe Brown is similar to Eddie Jones his drive game will translate early and won't be easily defended. His overall game will come slow like Jones.

Are we talking about the same Eddie Jones? Because the one I'm thinking of was 23 as a rookie and about as NBA-ready as it gets. He immediately stepped in as a starter on a really good playoff team.

Why are you caught up on age? Clearly Jones was a rookie and his game and measurables are very much the same as Brown. Age has little to do with the step up. It's the game and their bodies.

I'm not "hung up on age." It's a weird comp. To say Jones's "overall game came slow" is just flat wrong. To say their "measurables are very much the same" is flat wrong.

Brown at 19 outweighs 22-year-old Jones by 40 pounds. Brown is longer and stronger by a wide margin.

Jones was a really good 3 pt shooter from the get go and Brown is mediocre to bad.

Jones was a defensive menace known for his BBIQ while Brown shows defensive "potential" and is hardly known for his on-court savvy.

I don't know. I like Brown but Jones is just not really a guy who seems similar.

Yeah, Eddie Jones is a weird comparison.  Eddie was a skinny shooter.  Jaylen is a more muscular driver.

[rollie mass]

Brown will play on a better team with more competition at his position. I dont see him having the production Winslow and Johnson had in their rookie seasons. So unless you look at more advanced metrics I dont think it will be a good comparison.

miami had a good team and made the playoffs-winslow avg 6 points ,10th pick
detroit had a good team and made the playoffs-stanley 9 points,8th pick
iit would be hard to find better comps than these two and teams they are with-

[Csfan1984]

Unfortunately Brown's defense seems farther away, and his biggest offensive strength (driving in a straight line and getting fouled) is one of the least likely to translate rapidly to the NBA, as we've seen with Smart.

But we have a good team and a deep bench, so with any luck we will have a few garbage time minutes here and there for him right away, and lots of quality guys around him when he's on the floor. And if he plays his way to something more, all the better.

Well Brown has a much better first step than Smart, combined with his NBA ready body and he may not struggle too much.

Maybe. I'm just saying that sort of dribble-drive is about the easiest thing for any decent NBA defense to deal with.

And in Brown's defense he is already shiftier on those drives than Smart. Ultimately I think the skill will translate. Just maybe not right away.

Dribble drives by elite athletes isn't easy to deal with without a double or triple team. Brown is at a way higher level at it than Smart. At best Smart might get an angle more consistently when at his peak. Brown should blow by guys who don't give him 2+ feet of space every time.

I think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I'm iust talking about Brown's ability to get on the floor next year as a rookie. When I say "that kind of dribble drive" I mean one by a 19 year old who's been used to overpowering people and hasn't faced NBA defenses.

With a slight difference I believe Brown is similar to Eddie Jones his drive game will translate early and won't be easily defended. His overall game will come slow like Jones.

Are we talking about the same Eddie Jones? Because the one I'm thinking of was 23 as a rookie and about as NBA-ready as it gets. He immediately stepped in as a starter on a really good playoff team.

Why are you caught up on age? Clearly Jones was a rookie and his game and measurables are very much the same as Brown. Age has little to do with the step up. It's the game and their bodies.

I'm not "hung up on age." It's a weird comp. To say Jones's "overall game came slow" is just flat wrong. To say their "measurables are very much the same" is flat wrong.

Brown at 19 outweighs 22-year-old Jones by 40 pounds. Brown is longer and stronger by a wide margin.

Jones was a really good 3 pt shooter from the get go and Brown is mediocre to bad.

Jones was a defensive menace known for his BBIQ while Brown shows defensive "potential" and is hardly known for his on-court savvy.

I don't know. I like Brown but Jones is just not really a guy who seems similar.

So doesn't a little more weight also mean he is physically more ready?
Also Jones was getting tons of open looks like Kawhi Leonard first got in the league so that helped his 3 pt shooting from the jump. Jones was 35% in college which isnt great by college standards and he took 4 shots a game. Brown was at 29% taking only 3 shots. Not a huge difference because of the shot volume. Brown and Jones have the same athletic ability and quickness. Go look at old stuff on Eddie Jones and then look at Brown. The drives/dribble, the quickness, and explosiveness is the same. They poke a lot of balls away and jump passing lanes. They block a lot of shots the same way. Look at the the film.

[Ilikesports17]

i agree with you there but in terms of draft selection height, weight  and build
-i quess rjh and justin anderson could be added

No its certainly a valuable comparison. Especially because both guys went to playoff teams. however, I think its worth noting that Winslow especially was very NBA ready in terms of his understanding of the game on both sides. This made the transition to the NBA much easier I think. Johnson, was much stronger coming in; he was built a bit like Smart.

I only make this distinction to point out that even if Brown doesnt look as good as Winslow or Johnson this year, he could still be a superior prospect. Also worth noting, neither Johnson nor Winslow had the depth and quality ahead of them that Brown does this year.

[e4sym0de]

Brown will play on a better team with more competition at his position. I dont see him having the production Winslow and Johnson had in their rookie seasons. So unless you look at more advanced metrics I dont think it will be a good comparison.

miami had a good team and made the playoffs-winslow avg 6 points ,10th pick
detroit had a good team and made the playoffs-stanley 9 points,8th pick
iit would be hard to find better comps than these two and teams they are with-

Winslow played 28mpg and Johnson 23mpg. Bradley, Smart and Crowder are guarenteed ahead of him and will take a lot of the minutes at SG/SF and I am not sure he is instantly ahead of Green, Young and Hunter in the depth chart. Unless there are major moves or inuries I would be suprised to see him coming close to the minutes and production of Young and Winslow.