Has our roster reached the tipping point?

[Ilikesports17]

The back court is pretty full, but the front court has a lot of holes and needs a lot of help.

Not sure I agree that we have a lot of holes in the front court. Can it be improved? Definitely, what are the big holes you are referencing?

We have 0 plus rebounders and 0 plus shotblockers.

[flybono]

The back court is pretty full, but the front court has a lot of holes and needs a lot of help.

Thanks Danny

[KG Living Legend]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

 To be fair, Green is a career .361% shooter from three and 3years ago shot .400% from deep. Last year he shot poor you can expect a good year as he will get open looks on a better team.

[MJohnnyboy]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

 To be fair, Green is a career .361% shooter from three and 3years ago shot .400% from deep. Last year he shot poor you can expect a good year as he will get open looks on a better team.

That and he's going to be playing in a system that suits him- Non-selfish, pace & space basketball like his days in Phoenix where he thrived. His style of play fit horribly with Miami. Slow pace, iso offense. He's much better in a system like the Celtics.

[Moranis]

The back court is pretty full, but the front court has a lot of holes and needs a lot of help.

Not sure I agree that we have a lot of holes in the front court. Can it be improved? Definitely, what are the big holes you are referencing?

We have 0 plus rebounders and 0 plus shotblockers.

Those two, plus there isn't a great low post scorer either.  No one who you can give the ball to in the block and you know has the skills to get in the hole or get fouled. 

And the wings can definitely be upgraded, I was merely pointing out that some quality players aren't going to get minutes as there is a logjam, but the team still lacks a take it to the hole type wing (like Pierce was for Boston forever). 

[guava_wrench]

What we are seeing is the diminishing returns of having a lot of second round and late first round picks. Those players aren't talented enough to warrant filling a roster with them. They are great if you have an extra slot or two, as means teams do have. We aren't one of those teams.

[guava_wrench]

The back court is pretty full, but the front court has a lot of holes and needs a lot of help.

Not sure I agree that we have a lot of holes in the front court. Can it be improved? Definitely, what are the big holes you are referencing?

We have 0 plus rebounders and 0 plus shotblockers.

Mickey isn't a plus shotblocker?

[walker834]

We just drafted Jaylen Brown.  I don't know if Ainge is going to make a move for anymore wings.  We are probably going to want to play him. I don't think you use the 3rd pick to keep pushing that guy off.  The best solution is to play Brown.  The whole reason I liked him is because he takes it to the basket.

I could see the celtics trying to package players to get someone to compliment him ie middleton and upgrade Green and Crowders shooting but even that is far fetched.

There really aren't that many players out there that are real upgrades over what we have.  Durant was an exception and we tried but there reallly aren't many wings that have the potential brown does as a scorer that way.  Getting Parker etc and guys like that make no sense that way.  We have our guy in Brown I feel.

[moiso]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

 To be fair, Green is a career .361% shooter from three and 3years ago shot .400% from deep. Last year he shot poor you can expect a good year as he will get open looks on a better team.

That and he's going to be playing in a system that suits him- Non-selfish, pace & space basketball like his days in Phoenix where he thrived. His style of play fit horribly with Miami. Slow pace, iso offense. He's much better in a system like the Celtics.

Style of play?  He needs open looks?  Without looking up numbers what I think I have noticed over Green's career is that the more shots he gets to jack up, the more confident and accurate he is.  Which doesn't bode well for the Celtics.

[guava_wrench]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

 To be fair, Green is a career .361% shooter from three and 3years ago shot .400% from deep. Last year he shot poor you can expect a good year as he will get open looks on a better team.

That and he's going to be playing in a system that suits him- Non-selfish, pace & space basketball like his days in Phoenix where he thrived. His style of play fit horribly with Miami. Slow pace, iso offense. He's much better in a system like the Celtics.

Style of play?  He needs open looks?  Without looking up numbers what I think I have noticed over Green's career is that the more shots he gets to jack up, the more confident and accurate he is.  Which doesn't bode well for the Celtics.

Why not? In limited minutes off the bench, we want him to be aggressive.

[MJohnnyboy]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

 To be fair, Green is a career .361% shooter from three and 3years ago shot .400% from deep. Last year he shot poor you can expect a good year as he will get open looks on a better team.

That and he's going to be playing in a system that suits him- Non-selfish, pace & space basketball like his days in Phoenix where he thrived. His style of play fit horribly with Miami. Slow pace, iso offense. He's much better in a system like the Celtics.

Style of play?  He needs open looks?  Without looking up numbers what I think I have noticed over Green's career is that the more shots he gets to jack up, the more confident and accurate he is.  Which doesn't bode well for the Celtics.

Not what I meant. Green plays better when his team runs the floor and passes the ball around, which is what Phoenix did, as opposed to watching 1 guy hold the ball and playing half-court offense, which is what Miami did. It's for that same reason that Dragic struggled a lot last season playing next to Wade. If you look at the numbers, Green struggled in Miami and Indiana because they played at a very slow pace but he thrived in Phoenix because they play at a very fast pace. The Celtics had the 3rd highest pace in the league last year, which makes me think Gerald should play well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB_DPjVSEC4

It's not necessarily that Gerald needs open looks, it's more about the fact that love him or hate him, he can spread the floor. This team relies a lot on 3-pt shooting despite the fact that they were one of the worst in the league at shooting from 3-pt range. The Celtics are now rid of two of their worst three point shooters and replaced them with guys who have at least shot at league average from three with Horford and Green, which should help a lot.

More importantly, if I'm wrong and Gerald sucks this season, oh well! Not like the Celtics have him signed long term or paying him much money. If he doesn't pan out, he's sitting on the bench. No skin off my nose, but I'm an optimist and I think we could see the Suns' version of Gerald Green.

[TheSundanceKid]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

That is such a negative way of looking at each of those players. To take some examples. Jonas Jerebko the "acceptable plugin" shot over 40% from deep last year. Smart was a game changer on defence, not just a role player. He energised the team with his plays. KO has the second fastest production on the Celtics, Zeller is a highly proficient rim runner, Jaylen Brown got to the line at will in summer league, hopefully that translates.

[greece66]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

Our bench is one of the best in the league. IMO only GSW has a clearly superior bench.

[ManUp]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

Our bench is one of the best in the league. IMO only GSW has a clearly superior bench.

As a Celtics fan your opinion is super biased.

After losing Turner we can only assume our bench got worse.

That is unless your factoring in production from unproven players like Rozier and Brown and improvement from Smart.

[greece66]

I'm not sure where the excessive confidence about the bench comes from.

Smart is a nice defensive role player, but is unreliable at best offensively.  Terry Rozier has yet to really play much or produce at the NBA level.  Jaylen Brown is a raw teenager.  Gerald Green is an itchy-trigger-finger shooter who shot below 33% from deep last year.  Jonas Jerebko is a solid jack-of-all-trades combo forward, an acceptable plug-in who doesn't do anything especially well.  Kelly Olynyk is a useful and versatile PF/C with range, but he will still be recovering from shoulder surgery for the first part of the season.  Tyler Zeller is a matchup-dependent backup center.

The talent on the bench is remarkable.  But there are a lot of question marks.

Our bench is one of the best in the league. IMO only GSW has a clearly superior bench.

As a Celtics fan your opinion is super biased.

After losing Turner we can only assume our bench got worse.

That is unless your factoring in production from unproven players like Rozier and Brown and improvement from Smart.

Name 5 teams that have a better bench. Just five teams that have an indisputably better bench, and I shall apolozige to your Objective Highness.