What's the Max we could pay G Hayward next year

[The One]

 If we did indeed sign Hayward, would anyone be opposed to signing D Wade to 3 years 60 million if that's what it took to sign him.

 Horford
 Jonas
 Hayward
 D Wade
 Thomas

Yes, he's toast after next year...possibly sooner.

[timpiker]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer.  I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

[greece66]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer. I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

Here is a list of the best FAs of the 2017 summer:

Curry (UFA)
KD (player option)
Griffin (player option)
Giannis (RFA)
Chris Paul (player option)
Gobert (RFA)
Hayward (RFA)
Lowry (player option)
Millsap (player option)
Schroeder (RFA)
Wade (player option)
and then Steven Adams, Jrue Holiday, Noel, Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Derrick Rose, Oladipo...

Given that Curry, KD, Gobert and Giannis prolly go nowhere, Hayward is easily among the top-5 FAs next summer.

[saltlover]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer. I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

Here is a list of the best FAs of the 2017 summer:

Curry (UFA)
KD (player option)
Griffin (player option)
Giannis (RFA)
Chris Paul (player option)
Gobert (RFA)
Hayward (RFA)
Lowry (player option)
Millsap (player option)
Schroeder (RFA)
Wade (player option)
and then Steven Adams, Jrue Holiday, Noel, Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Derrick Rose, Oladipo...

Given that Curry, KD, Gobert and Giannis prolly go nowhere, Hayward is easily among the top-5 FAs next summer.

I would add Paul and Schroder to the going nowhere list.  Paul will like getting the 5-year deal through Bird rights, and the Hawks didn't trade Teague just to let Schroder walk.

[greece66]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer. I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

Here is a list of the best FAs of the 2017 summer:

Curry (UFA)
KD (player option)
Griffin (player option)
Giannis (RFA)
Chris Paul (player option)
Gobert (RFA)
Hayward (RFA)
Lowry (player option)
Millsap (player option)
Schroeder (RFA)
Wade (player option)
and then Steven Adams, Jrue Holiday, Noel, Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Derrick Rose, Oladipo...

Given that Curry, KD, Gobert and Giannis prolly go nowhere, Hayward is easily among the top-5 FAs next summer.

I would add Paul and Schroder to the going nowhere list.  Paul will like getting the 5-year deal through Bird rights, and the Hawks didn't trade Teague just to let Schroder walk.

Thanks.
Which means that together that after Griffin, Hayward will prolly be the most sought after FA together with Millsap and Lowry.

In a league of 30 teams, where each has space for two maxs, giving one to Hayward is hardly a bad idea IMO.

edit: strikethrough typo

[Evantime34]

Hayward is a really good player. His shooting, defense, size, and secondary ball handling ability could really help us.

 If Boston signed him, The C's could have the deepest team in the league with two of Crowder, Smart and Bradley coming off the bench. Or the C's could deal some wings/guards in a deal to add a good big and then replace them in the rotation with Hayward.

Without a trade before the deadline, we probably would need to renounce Olynyk to create the max space for Hayward. I'm a big Olynyk fan so this gives me pause.

[greece66]

Hayward is a really good player. His shooting, defense, size, and secondary ball handling ability could really help us.

 If Boston signed him, The C's could have the deepest team in the league with two of Crowder, Smart and Bradley coming off the bench. Or the C's could deal some wings/guards in a deal to add a good big and then replace them in the rotation with Hayward.

Without a trade before the deadline, we probably would need to renounce Olynyk to create the max space for Hayward. I'm a big Olynyk fan so this gives me pause.

Yep, that's the problem. As things are now, we have a top-5 bench in the league. Depending on how good our rookies will be this year we could have the best bench in the league.

Great depth and versatility: Rozier, Smart, Kelly, Brown, Jerebko, Zeller, Green, Mickey - and if lucky one our second rounders from the 2016 draft might turn out useful too.

The tough part is that if we go after high calibre FAs, we will lose some of this depth. Add to this that our rookies will one after the other hit FA and that Bradley's, Crowder's and IT's bargain contracts will one day expire and it is obvious that we have lots of tough decisions ahead.

Having said this, it is not all doom and gloom. As SAS has shown many times in the past, and GSW this summer, players are willing to take a discount to play for a good organization that promises them the possibility of a ring.

So, my best guess is that our FO's plan A is to attract another high calibre player like Hayward next summer if not earlier; and then even if we lose some of our players (Kelly, Bradley) we should be able to make a convincing case to ambitious players to take a discount (see Pachulia in GSW) and make up for the losses.

As always, what I love about our FO is their ability to keep their options open. The flexibility we have maintained since the Brooklyn trade will help us a lot in 2016-17.

[chambers]

About four times what we'd be paying Jae Crowder. In other words.....

Waaaaayyy too much.

[alldaboston]

Honestly that Utah team is looking really good. I wouldn't blame him at all if he chooses to stay there.

[crimson_stallion]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer. I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

Here is a list of the best FAs of the 2017 summer:

Curry (UFA)
KD (player option)
Griffin (player option)
Giannis (RFA)
Chris Paul (player option)
Gobert (RFA)
Hayward (RFA)
Lowry (player option)
Millsap (player option)
Schroeder (RFA)
Wade (player option)
and then Steven Adams, Jrue Holiday, Noel, Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Derrick Rose, Oladipo...

Given that Curry, KD, Gobert and Giannis prolly go nowhere, Hayward is easily among the top-5 FAs next summer.

I would add Paul and Schroder to the going nowhere list.  Paul will like getting the 5-year deal through Bird rights, and the Hawks didn't trade Teague just to let Schroder walk.

Thanks.
Which means that together that after Griffin, Hayward will prolly be the most sought after FA together with Millsap and Lowry.

In a league of 30 teams, where each has space for two maxs, giving one to Hayward is hardly a bad idea IMO.

edit: strikethrough typo

Personally, I feel that tying up approximately $54M a year in Horford and Gordon is a nice way to guarantee you will never be a contender, and you will be stuck in "Atlanta Hawks" territory for the nest 4-5 years.

A top three of Thomas/Hayward/Horford is really not significantly better then Teague/Millsap/Horford.  If we want to be a serious contender (someone with a real shot at a title, not just somebody who tkes a top 3 seed because nobody else is good) then we're going to have to do better then that.

I'm not even entirely confident Hayward is a significant upgrade over Crowder to be honest - I think the gain would be minimal.

[greece66]

No trade for Hayward at the deadline unless we think we'll be contending which I doubt.  It's best to wait until the summer. I like him but he ain't worth max money unless no one else is available.

Here is a list of the best FAs of the 2017 summer:

Curry (UFA)
KD (player option)
Griffin (player option)
Giannis (RFA)
Chris Paul (player option)
Gobert (RFA)
Hayward (RFA)
Lowry (player option)
Millsap (player option)
Schroeder (RFA)
Wade (player option)
and then Steven Adams, Jrue Holiday, Noel, Ibaka, Gallinari, Teague, Derrick Rose, Oladipo...

Given that Curry, KD, Gobert and Giannis prolly go nowhere, Hayward is easily among the top-5 FAs next summer.

I would add Paul and Schroder to the going nowhere list.  Paul will like getting the 5-year deal through Bird rights, and the Hawks didn't trade Teague just to let Schroder walk.

Thanks.
Which means that together that after Griffin, Hayward will prolly be the most sought after FA together with Millsap and Lowry.

In a league of 30 teams, where each has space for two maxs, giving one to Hayward is hardly a bad idea IMO.

edit: strikethrough typo

Personally, I feel that tying up approximately $54M a year in Horford and Gordon is a nice way to guarantee you will never be a contender, and you will be stuck in "Atlanta Hawks" territory for the nest 4-5 years.

A top three of Thomas/Hayward/Horford is really not significantly better then Teague/Millsap/Horford.  If we want to be a serious contender (someone with a real shot at a title, not just somebody who tkes a top 3 seed because nobody else is good) then we're going to have to do better then that.

I'm not even entirely confident Hayward is a significant upgrade over Crowder to be honest - I think the gain would be minimal.

All of us would prefer a player in the top 20 if not top 10 to come. But consider that:
Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Curry and KD are not leaving GSW
LBJ, Kyrie and Love are not leaving Cleveland
Melo is not leaving NYK
LMA and Leonard are not leaving SAS
Paul and Jordan are not leaving LAC
John Wall is under contract until 2018-19
Paul George is under contract until 2018-19
Harden is under contract until 2019-20 (last year player option)

Similarly, the best young stars are not going anywhere (Giannis, Gobert, KAT, Wiggins Drummond, AD).

So, we are basically left with Griffin, Westbrook, Cousins and Butler. Personally, I think only Griffin (if his quads are OK) and Cousins are significantly better for the C's than Hayward but let's assume they all are. What if we try to trade for them all and fail? We prolly made a similar effort this summer (and failed).
Getting Hayward will very likely take you all the way to the ECF. I see the danger of not getting much more beyond that (=Atlanta) but you will still have plenty of young talent (Smart, Brown et al) and picks which will allow us to improve year by year.

I also do not agree with the comparison of Hayward with Crowder. Hayward is a good ball handler and playmaker. I agree more with the comparison SL made earlier: imagine a taller ET, who makes less turnovers and can make 3s: a very good fit for a Stevens team. (ppl who like to see the glass half full also believe Hayward will improve his D one day.)

Again, I totally agree he is no Cousins or KD but cap space has value only if you can use it. (there is a nice yet macabre story by Marco Polo on the Caliph  Al-Musta'sim  of Baghdad as to the futility of money you cannot spend)

PS we could add Love to the player's on the trade table but i/ I am not so sure Cleveland wants to trade him and ii/ evenif they did they would ask for a king's ransom (basically for players good enough that will allow them to continue being contenders. I doubt they care much for our picks/young talents).

[The One]

I would not complain about Hayward getting max money from the Celtics.

[chambers]

Not interested in Hayward.
A team with IT, Hayward and Horford is a pretender in a league of GSW's, LA Clippers and Cleveland Cavs.

Just stay patient and wait for a top 10-15 player to become available.
I would rather wait 5 years and let Brown, Smart and other picks to develop than give Hayward 28 million a year.
We've worked hard and been so patient with this caproom and we can't squander it on 3rd/4th bananas like Hayward. AND we already have Crowder who was playing arguably just as well as Hayward from a two way player perspective..before his inury.

Wait for a true top 10 franchise guy to be let loose, and then get another one and hopefully draft one.

[jbarnies]

I think if we really do want Gordon Hayward, we need to move Avery Bradley now as he is at his peak value.

Thomas / Hayward / Crowder would be our starting perimeter guys. If we could move him to a team that needs guards/perimeter shooting, I would love a true starting caliber big man to play alongside Horford.

Getting OT here, but this is why I hope the Griffin rumors were true. Move Bradley + 2018 BK pick, whatever else for salaries for Griffin. Sign Hayward in the offseason.

Thomas / Smart
Hayward
Crowder / Brown
Griffin / Giles (2017 BK pick)
Horford / Olynyk

I think that's a team that could give the Cavs some problems.

[PhoSita]

You know, getting to watch Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder,  Gordon Hayward, and Al Horford win 50+ games together for 3-4 years wouldn't be the worst outcome in the world.  They might even find a way to make it to the Finals.