What's the Max we could pay G Hayward next year

[saltlover]

            2017 - 2018   Salaries/Cap Holds
               
1   A Horford          27,734,405    
2   A Bradley          8,808,989    
3   I Thomas          6,261,395    
4   J Crowder          6,796,117    
5   J Brown          4,956,480    
6   M Smart          4,538,020    
7   K Olynyk          7,735,035    = cap hold
8   T Rozier          1,988,520    
9   J Mickey                  -              7/15/2017 guarantee date
10   RJ Hunter          1,251,960    
11   D Jackson          -         7/15/2017
12   J Jerebko                  -      
13   A Johnson          -      
14   T Zeller                  -              7/2/2017
15   G Green                  -      
16   J Young                  -      
17   B Bentil                  -      
18   J Holland                  -      
   G Yabusele       1,628,600    = cap hold
   Ante Zizic          1,192,200    = cap hold
   1st rd pick       5,091,500    = cap hold for 1st pick overall
   cap hold          550,000    est   cap hold for 13th slot
   cap hold            
   cap hold            
   Total          78,533,221    
               
              102,000,000    salary cap est???
               
             23,466,779    cap space available  vs. 28.8 needed

For those who want to see the numbers, I believe that this is the 5 million gap Saltlover is talking about.  This assumes Bentil, Holland and Young are released Oct 2016 and JM, DJ, JJ, AJ, TZ, and GG are all rescinded by 6/30/2017.

Personally I would not want to give up much (certainly not Avery straight up) in a trade for Gordon.  I would rather wait and try to sign next summer.

Yeah, that's approximately it.  I have Jackson's and Mickey's salary in there, since Jackson's is about 50% guaranteed, and Mickey's guarantee is before free agency.  I don't really expect us to pick up Hunter's option, and I didn't want to get too optimistic about the nets pick, so I've got the cap hold for the third overall instead of the first.  But those are assumptions on the margins, and none of them will get in the way of signing Hayward or any other player for the 7-9 year max.  We don't officially have max room, but it is very easy to create, and barring a trade, we should expect Ainge to throw around max offers to free agents next summer, trying to strike twice.

Edit: it looks like Mickey's guarantee info has been updated since when it was first reported last year.  A 7/15 date means we might be able to have free agency first, assuming no lockout.  Cant completely rule that out.

[PhoSita]

There's no doubt in my mind Utah will offer him 5 year max.  So Celts will have to somehow compete with that.  That fifth year will probably be a significant issue, because I doubt Hayward will be worth max money in five years.

[saltlover]

There's no doubt in my mind Utah will offer him 5 year max.  So Celts will have to somehow compete with that.  That fifth year will probably be a significant issue, because I doubt Hayward will be worth max money in five years.

I doubt it will be.  I mean, Utah needs to offer it because to not do so would be a turn off.  But Hayward will not be concerned about not being worth a ton of money in five years, because star players just aren't wired that way.  He'll have just turned 27, and expect he'll be at the height of his game until he's 37.  Any player of his ability would be.

It won't come down to money.  It will come down to on-court success and off-court comfort.  He'll be getting a 9-figure deal from someone.  At a certain point you can't comprehend the difference.  Has he developed the relationships and confidence in Utah enough to stay there for his entire career?  Or does the fact that he hasn't played for Stevens in seven years, and yet still is very close with him win out.  My guess is the latter.

Also, I'm sorry you can't see how good of a player Hayward is.  He's absolutely legit.  Imagine that Evan Turner had 25% fewer turnovers, could hit the 3, and was an inch or so taller, and you start to get a picture of Hayward.  His game is obviously tailor-made for Stevens offense.  He's still below Durant and Cousins on my wish list, but he'd be far from a consolation prize.

[Ilikesports17]

With the addition of George Hill and return of Exum, Utah could well be the best defensive team in the league. If they push 50 wins I doubt we could grab him even with all our connections.

With Brown and crowder on board we dont really need a SF. However, signing Hayward and than using Brown in a trade for Cousins could be a quick catapult to contention.

[Ilikesports17]

On a somewhat seperate note, I absolutely loved the George Hill trade for the  Jazz.

[TheSundanceKid]

With the GSW being the team to challenge in the West, you'd think a package built around Bradley would be appetizing. We'd need to add more to make them move him I'd think which raises the question is it worth it? But if you are invested in getting him long term and this guarantees it then maybe it's worth doing

[PhoSita]

There's no doubt in my mind Utah will offer him 5 year max.  So Celts will have to somehow compete with that.  That fifth year will probably be a significant issue, because I doubt Hayward will be worth max money in five years.

I doubt it will be.  I mean, Utah needs to offer it because to not do so would be a turn off.  But Hayward will not be concerned about not being worth a ton of money in five years, because star players just aren't wired that way.  He'll have just turned 27, and expect he'll be at the height of his game until he's 37.  Any player of his ability would be.

It won't come down to money.  It will come down to on-court success and off-court comfort.  He'll be getting a 9-figure deal from someone.  At a certain point you can't comprehend the difference.  Has he developed the relationships and confidence in Utah enough to stay there for his entire career?  Or does the fact that he hasn't played for Stevens in seven years, and yet still is very close with him win out.  My guess is the latter.

Also, I'm sorry you can't see how good of a player Hayward is.  He's absolutely legit.  Imagine that Evan Turner had 25% fewer turnovers, could hit the 3, and was an inch or so taller, and you start to get a picture of Hayward.  His game is obviously tailor-made for Stevens offense.  He's still below Durant and Cousins on my wish list, but he'd be far from a consolation prize.

I absolutely love Hayward as a player, but he will be 27 years old at the start of his next deal, and 32 in that hypothetical fifth year.  Just not sure he'll really still be a dynamic, 20 ppg scorer at that point.

As for the consolation prize thing, again, I'd be thrilled if the Celts got Hayward, but he's not a top 10-15 player in the league, which is really the last piece the Celts are missing at the moment.  If one of the Nets' picks turns into that type of borderline-MVP caliber player, though, Hayward would be a fantastic secondary or tertiary piece.

[otherdave]

I would offer Kelly and Tyler and the Memphis pick we just got on draft night for Gordon after Jan 15th (when Zeller can be traded).  If Utah can get better than that let them.  Otherwise I would try to sign Hayward as a FA

[saltlover]

I would offer Kelly and Tyler and the Memphis pick we just got on draft night for Gordon after Jan 15th (when Zeller can be traded).  If Utah can get better than that let them.  Otherwise I would try to sign Hayward as a FA

That trade isn't likely to work with the cap due to Hayward's trade kicker.  I'm also not in favor of really only having two rotational bigs (Horford and Amir).

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would offer Kelly and Tyler and the Memphis pick we just got on draft night for Gordon after Jan 15th (when Zeller can be traded).  If Utah can get better than that let them.  Otherwise I would try to sign Hayward as a FA

That trade isn't likely to work with the cap due to Hayward's trade kicker.  I'm also not in favor of really only having two rotational bigs (Horford and Amir).

I'd imagine Bradley would have to be part of a trade, and if not, he would be involved in another trade. I can't see us keeping him and Hayward.

[Moranis]

more than Boston should pay

[saltlover]

I would offer Kelly and Tyler and the Memphis pick we just got on draft night for Gordon after Jan 15th (when Zeller can be traded).  If Utah can get better than that let them.  Otherwise I would try to sign Hayward as a FA

That trade isn't likely to work with the cap due to Hayward's trade kicker.  I'm also not in favor of really only having two rotational bigs (Horford and Amir).

I'd imagine Bradley would have to be part of a trade, and if not, he would be involved in another trade. I can't see us keeping him and Hayward.

Me neither.  Bradley seems most likely to lose minutes and/or shots with Hayward.  He's also a quality player, with a year an additional year left on his deal, and so should require the least additional draft compensation.

Getting Hayward early can actually create some amount of additional cap room next year, depending on what is sent out for him, thanks to controlling his Bird rights.  Moving AB should leave the C's in the $8-10 million range even accounting for Olynyk's cap hold.  And if the cap is a bit higher than forecast (as is likely), letting Olynyk walk could put the Celtics in line to re-sign Hayward and add another $20 million player.

[KG Living Legend]

I would offer Kelly and Tyler and the Memphis pick we just got on draft night for Gordon after Jan 15th (when Zeller can be traded).  If Utah can get better than that let them.  Otherwise I would try to sign Hayward as a FA

That trade isn't likely to work with the cap due to Hayward's trade kicker.  I'm also not in favor of really only having two rotational bigs (Horford and Amir).

I'd imagine Bradley would have to be part of a trade, and if not, he would be involved in another trade. I can't see us keeping him and Hayward.

Me neither.  Bradley seems most likely to lose minutes and/or shots with Hayward.  He's also a quality player, with a year an additional year left on his deal, and so should require the least additional draft compensation.

Getting Hayward early can actually create some amount of additional cap room next year, depending on what is sent out for him, thanks to controlling his Bird rights.  Moving AB should leave the C's in the $8-10 million range even accounting for Olynyk's cap hold.  And if the cap is a bit higher than forecast (as is likely), letting Olynyk walk could put the Celtics in line to re-sign Hayward and add another $20 million player.

 Well done Salt lover, Tp. Your hired as the Celtics assistant Capologist, question is who else could we Bring in at another 20 million.

[KG Living Legend]

 If we did indeed sign Hayward, would anyone be opposed to signing D Wade to 3 years 60 million if that's what it took to sign him.

 Horford
 Jonas
 Hayward
 D Wade
 Thomas
 

[saltlover]

 If we did indeed sign Hayward, would anyone be opposed to signing D Wade to 3 years 60 million if that's what it took to sign him.

 Horford
 Jonas
 Hayward
 D Wade
 Thomas

Yes.  100% opposed.  The $20 million man should be a big.

Also, Jerebko will be a free agent and not on the roster.