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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2016, 03:41:39 PM »

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Everyone is in the 50's range so I'll play devils advocate and say the injury bug will hit some of our key players for longer stretches this season.

47-35
5th in the East

There is the possibility that Horford, at 30, has some crossings with the hated injury bug, and the team struggles in his absence.  Also possible Isaiah has one of his seemingly annual lower back injuries after a fall following a tough layup, and misses some time at an inconvenient place in the schedule.

The team might also have some issues with inconsistency in bench scoring, after letting Turner go.

Even with all of those possible concerns, I'd be surprised if they finish significantly below 50 wins.  But I agree it's a possibility.

I'm with you on this. Hard to envision this squad below 50 wins even with injuries. However playing Devil's Advocate doesn't require logic just opposite opinion of others.

No way this is a sub 50 win team with just normal annoying injuries throughout the season.
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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2016, 04:41:57 PM »

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Everyone is in the 50's range so I'll play devils advocate and say the injury bug will hit some of our key players for longer stretches this season.

47-35
5th in the East

There is the possibility that Horford, at 30, has some crossings with the hated injury bug, and the team struggles in his absence.  Also possible Isaiah has one of his seemingly annual lower back injuries after a fall following a tough layup, and misses some time at an inconvenient place in the schedule.

The team might also have some issues with inconsistency in bench scoring, after letting Turner go.

Even with all of those possible concerns, I'd be surprised if they finish significantly below 50 wins.  But I agree it's a possibility.

I'm with you on this. Hard to envision this squad below 50 wins even with injuries. However playing Devil's Advocate doesn't require logic just opposite opinion of others.

No way this is a sub 50 win team with just normal annoying injuries throughout the season.
I've said it before in other threads, but last year the Atlantic Division had the 3 worst teams in the Eastern Conference.  It appears that Brooklyn and Philly may be in that range again (though they should be better than 31 combined wins), but NY should be a good bit better and Toronto will still be very good (and the likely favorites in the Atlantic).  Thus, Boston might be a better team but end up in the same general win range just by virtue of not playing such terrible competition.
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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2016, 05:14:16 PM »

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Everyone is in the 50's range so I'll play devils advocate and say the injury bug will hit some of our key players for longer stretches this season.

47-35
5th in the East

There is the possibility that Horford, at 30, has some crossings with the hated injury bug, and the team struggles in his absence.  Also possible Isaiah has one of his seemingly annual lower back injuries after a fall following a tough layup, and misses some time at an inconvenient place in the schedule.

The team might also have some issues with inconsistency in bench scoring, after letting Turner go.

Even with all of those possible concerns, I'd be surprised if they finish significantly below 50 wins.  But I agree it's a possibility.

I'm with you on this. Hard to envision this squad below 50 wins even with injuries. However playing Devil's Advocate doesn't require logic just opposite opinion of others.

No way this is a sub 50 win team with just normal annoying injuries throughout the season.
I've said it before in other threads, but last year the Atlantic Division had the 3 worst teams in the Eastern Conference.  It appears that Brooklyn and Philly may be in that range again (though they should be better than 31 combined wins), but NY should be a good bit better and Toronto will still be very good (and the likely favorites in the Atlantic).  Thus, Boston might be a better team but end up in the same general win range just by virtue of not playing such terrible competition.

You are also absurdly pessimistic when it comes to discussing the Celtics and overly optimistic when discussing our competitors and other teams/players so it is hard for people to really take these points seriously.

Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2016, 05:38:13 PM »

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Everyone is in the 50's range so I'll play devils advocate and say the injury bug will hit some of our key players for longer stretches this season.

47-35
5th in the East

There is the possibility that Horford, at 30, has some crossings with the hated injury bug, and the team struggles in his absence.  Also possible Isaiah has one of his seemingly annual lower back injuries after a fall following a tough layup, and misses some time at an inconvenient place in the schedule.

The team might also have some issues with inconsistency in bench scoring, after letting Turner go.

Even with all of those possible concerns, I'd be surprised if they finish significantly below 50 wins.  But I agree it's a possibility.

I'm with you on this. Hard to envision this squad below 50 wins even with injuries. However playing Devil's Advocate doesn't require logic just opposite opinion of others.

No way this is a sub 50 win team with just normal annoying injuries throughout the season.
I've said it before in other threads, but last year the Atlantic Division had the 3 worst teams in the Eastern Conference.  It appears that Brooklyn and Philly may be in that range again (though they should be better than 31 combined wins), but NY should be a good bit better and Toronto will still be very good (and the likely favorites in the Atlantic).  Thus, Boston might be a better team but end up in the same general win range just by virtue of not playing such terrible competition.

You are also absurdly pessimistic when it comes to discussing the Celtics and overly optimistic when discussing our competitors and other teams/players so it is hard for people to really take these points seriously.
On July 7th, I put the Celtics win total range as 47-52 wins which is pretty much the consensus in this thread.  That win total range had them anywhere from 2nd to 8th in the East and I had them at 5th right where they finished this year. 

The reality is the team failed to address its major weaknesses and actually became a worse rebounding team by virtue of losing Sullinger.  Horford is a very solid all around player, but he isn't a go to scorer, doesn't protect the basket, and isn't a very good rebounder.  Those are the three areas that Boston had some issues with last year and none of the offseason moves corrected those deficiencies.  Bradley, Thomas, and even Crowder (to a lesser extent) are all pretty close to finished products at this time, so you can't expect all that much improvement.  Horford and Johnson are on the down slope.  So if Boston is going to make a big jump it will have to be because Smart puts it all together or Brown is an impact player as a rookie.  I don't see either of those as that likely.  Boston was also pretty healthy last year, which may not happen again.  Thus I think my range of 47-52 wins (I guessed 49 in this thread) is a pretty realistic prediction for the current team.  It isn't optimistic, but it certainly isn't pessimistic either. 
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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2016, 05:40:53 PM »

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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2016, 05:56:12 PM »

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Everyone is in the 50's range so I'll play devils advocate and say the injury bug will hit some of our key players for longer stretches this season.

47-35
5th in the East

There is the possibility that Horford, at 30, has some crossings with the hated injury bug, and the team struggles in his absence.  Also possible Isaiah has one of his seemingly annual lower back injuries after a fall following a tough layup, and misses some time at an inconvenient place in the schedule.

The team might also have some issues with inconsistency in bench scoring, after letting Turner go.

Even with all of those possible concerns, I'd be surprised if they finish significantly below 50 wins.  But I agree it's a possibility.

I'm with you on this. Hard to envision this squad below 50 wins even with injuries. However playing Devil's Advocate doesn't require logic just opposite opinion of others.

No way this is a sub 50 win team with just normal annoying injuries throughout the season.
I've said it before in other threads, but last year the Atlantic Division had the 3 worst teams in the Eastern Conference.  It appears that Brooklyn and Philly may be in that range again (though they should be better than 31 combined wins), but NY should be a good bit better and Toronto will still be very good (and the likely favorites in the Atlantic).  Thus, Boston might be a better team but end up in the same general win range just by virtue of not playing such terrible competition.

You are also absurdly pessimistic when it comes to discussing the Celtics and overly optimistic when discussing our competitors and other teams/players so it is hard for people to really take these points seriously.
On July 7th, I put the Celtics win total range as 47-52 wins which is pretty much the consensus in this thread.  That win total range had them anywhere from 2nd to 8th in the East and I had them at 5th right where they finished this year. 

The reality is the team failed to address its major weaknesses and actually became a worse rebounding team by virtue of losing Sullinger.  Horford is a very solid all around player, but he isn't a go to scorer, doesn't protect the basket, and isn't a very good rebounder.  Those are the three areas that Boston had some issues with last year and none of the offseason moves corrected those deficiencies.  Bradley, Thomas, and even Crowder (to a lesser extent) are all pretty close to finished products at this time, so you can't expect all that much improvement.  Horford and Johnson are on the down slope.  So if Boston is going to make a big jump it will have to be because Smart puts it all together or Brown is an impact player as a rookie.  I don't see either of those as that likely.  Boston was also pretty healthy last year, which may not happen again.  Thus I think my range of 47-52 wins (I guessed 49 in this thread) is a pretty realistic prediction for the current team.  It isn't optimistic, but it certainly isn't pessimistic either.

Kind of interesting you left out the player the Celtics seem the most high on to make a significant jump (Rozier) and that seemingly they could have a healthy KO. Sullinger really did not play a significant role for the Celtics in the playoffs and was a minor player in the second half of the year. By April he was down to 19 minutes a game and averaging 4.5 rebounds. By the playoffs he was down to 13 minutes a game. I don't really see how adding a 4 times all-star in Horford isn't a massive upgrade.

Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2016, 06:22:55 PM »

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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2016, 06:58:52 PM »

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54 wins
2nd round playoff loss.

It would be interesting at the end of season to see who hit it on the nose.

Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2016, 07:08:30 PM »

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53-19 with a 2nd round loss. First round takes 7 to win. That is my most optimistic prediction barring a February trade where a true end of game shooter comes back to us..than put us vs. the Cavs in the conference finals.

My most pessimistic prediction is 46-36 with first round loss at the hands of the Pacers.
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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2016, 08:03:14 PM »

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52 - 30. Minimal regular season bump, but finally make it out of the 1st round.

This honestly seems spot on to me. Great post and TP, brother.
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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2016, 09:20:26 PM »

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52-53 wins. Second round exit

Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2016, 11:06:13 PM »

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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2016, 11:39:41 PM »

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Injury bug fiinally hits the Cavs and ends up with a 49-33 record  :P

Cs surprises everyone in the East romps off 62 wins and becomes defacto Eastern Conference champs.  :laugh:

Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2016, 01:19:42 AM »

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I second this one.

This raises a question that interests me: Are the Celts as constituted more talented than the Hawks from a couple years ago?  I suppose this question merits a thread of its own.
no

We definitely have more talent when you look at the benches.


IT significanly better than teague
Horford equals horford
Bradley = Korver (worse scoring, way better on defense)
Johnson significantly worse than Milsap
Crowder = Carroll

So I might give them a slight edge just because of the difference between Milsap and Johnson, but our other 4 starters are definitely better. However, the bench comparison isn't even really a comparison.

Their bench was bazemore, Thabo, Mike Scott, Shelvin Mack and a still extremely raw schroeder.

Honest question. Were the 2015 Hawks really that good or was the rest of the conference just that bad?

Don't forget, they were supposed to lose to the Wizards in the East Semis. Some injury happened to John Wall, and PP34's buzzer didn't count in the series closer. If Wall wasn't injured, the Hawks would've been creamed in 5 games. The Wizards would go on to lose to the Cavs.


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Re: Bragging rights, Predict Celtics Season Record
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2016, 03:11:05 AM »

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58 wins