Ivica Zubac: huge miss by the Celtics

[crimson_stallion]

Zubec and Zizic we're in the same league.  Zizic led that league in rebounding and was the best center in the league the year before the draft.  So before this season Zizic was clearly better. Is zubec better than advertised? Yes, but Zizic destroyed the Adriatic League this year and is holding his own in Euro league. Both look to over achieve, but Zizic put up better Adriatic League numbers then Zubac,  both of Denver's Biggs, who people keep wanting to trade for, and Nikola Pekovic.  I like the Zizic pick alot.  Zizic looks like he put on weight and may have grown an inch, but who's to say Danny would have still taken Jackson if Zubac was still available.

While I am aware of all of the above, just because a player was more successful in Europe then another player, doesn't necessarily meant it's going to translate that way to the NBA.

Zubac is bigger, stronger, longer, angrier.  From what I've seen he seems to have a higher motor, and a higher level of "toughness" while Zubac seems to be more finesse style of player.

I always felt Zubac would probably be better equipped to handle the bigger, stronger, tougher and more athletic nature of NBA big men - while I was a bit worried that Zizic might not translate as well.  Also I feel Boston is too soft right now and could really use a tough physical presence inside, so I felt he was a better fit.

I could be wrong of course, but that was why I was more interested in Zubac.   

[greece66]

@crimson_stallion

The comment summary was pure gold.

Btw, I think one IDreamCeltics quote is missing from the greentext.

[Celtics4ever]

Zubac is bigger, stronger, longer, angrier.  From what I've seen he seems to have a higher motor, and a higher level of "toughness" while Zubac seems to be more finesse style of player.

Can you clarify this I think you mean one and the other but typos?

[A Future of Stevens]

Zubec and Zizic we're in the same league.  Zizic led that league in rebounding and was the best center in the league the year before the draft.  So before this season Zizic was clearly better. Is zubec better than advertised? Yes, but Zizic destroyed the Adriatic League this year and is holding his own in Euro league. Both look to over achieve, but Zizic put up better Adriatic League numbers then Zubac,  both of Denver's Biggs, who people keep wanting to trade for, and Nikola Pekovic.  I like the Zizic pick alot.  Zizic looks like he put on weight and may have grown an inch, but who's to say Danny would have still taken Jackson if Zubac was still available.

While I am aware of all of the above, just because a player was more successful in Europe then another player, doesn't necessarily meant it's going to translate that way to the NBA.

Zubac is bigger, stronger, longer, angrier.  From what I've seen he seems to have a higher motor, and a higher level of "toughness" while Zubac seems to be more finesse style of player.

I always felt Zubac would probably be better equipped to handle the bigger, stronger, tougher and more athletic nature of NBA big men - while I was a bit worried that Zizic might not translate as well.  Also I feel Boston is too soft right now and could really use a tough physical presence inside, so I felt he was a better fit.

I could be wrong of course, but that was why I was more interested in Zubac.   

I assume because of the typo you mean those qualities over Zizic. Working off that, I agree with all of them except anger haha.

The one way I can see zizic being much better for us is in a modern defensive scheme. Zizic seems to have the lateral foot speed necessary to switch for stretches, and unless Zubac has miraculously made huge strides since being drafted, he looks to always be abused in a switch by a smaller guard.

But yes, Zubac is much longer and larger than Zizic. Zizic just has foot speed, better rebounding instincts, and toughness (on this I guess we disagree, but whatever.)

Good comment, I actually think both will be very good pros.

[The One]

Let's see what he does this Friday then.

Bring it!!

[IDreamCeltics]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

It's a weird point to get stuck up on, yes.  But, assuredly, the Celtics and Grizzlies agreed on the trade and the Grizzlies told the Celtics to pick Davis.  Since you apparently don't know how draft pick trades work in the NBA -- once draft day starts (actually 24 hours before the draft), picks can not be technically traded until after the selection is made. So it gets reported that the Celtics made a selection and then traded it, but in actuality the teams agree in advance on the trade, and the team trading the pick selects whomever they are told to select.

The NBA has talked about fixing this (for example, in 2013 Lucas Nogueira put on a Celtics hat when he went up to the stage, even though everyone already knew the Celtics had traded that pick to select Olynyk three spots earlier.)  But they haven't done anything about it yet, so people write stupid articles saying that the Celtics selected Deyonta Davis, when they didn't.

Everybody knows that the trade was agreed upon before the pick was made.  But that doesn't change the fact that the Celtics drafted Davis.  So cover your tracks as you might, the Celtics drafted Davis and traded him is exactly what happened.

What? The trade was agreed upon so the Celtics drafted Davis on the Grizzlies command. What tracks is he covering?

Well I can see what tracks he was covering, as I basically see the conversation (in a nutshell) like this:

Saltlover: Boston drafted Davis and traded him to Memphis

IDreamCeltics: You're wrong, that's not how it works at all.   Boston didn't draft Davis, they traded the pick to Memphis, and then memphis drafted him.  You don't know anything and ur a big dumb dumb doodi poo poo head so nyerr

Saltlover: Actually that is how it work - Boston drafted Davis and then traded him to Memphis.  Here's evidence of how it actually works.

IDreamCeltics: Well yeah..I mean.. I supppose technically that is kinda what happens.  But you know under the table unofficially it's already agreed on beforehand so in a way I am kinda sorta not realllly wrong! 

Droopdog7: No you pretty much told him he's wrong when he wasn't, and now you're trying to  twist it so it sounds like you meant something other then what you did mean so that you don't come out looking like the actual doodi head - just own up to it and admit you were wrong.

P.s. I offer free script writing services - call me!! 

This is funny!

(Except that you completely reversed who was saying what )

Your script writing services may not want to include this in your future ads.

[Real World]

I really wanted the Celtics to draft this guy.  I was mystified when they took Yabu 13 cuz I wanted Zizic. Then I was stoked when Zizic slid to 23 to the C's, but bummed when the C's passed on Zubac  in the early 2nd, to the Lakers of all teams.    For a team starved for talented big men, Zubac would have been a nice 7 foot lottery ticket. 

Who would you rather have taking up a roster spot right now, Demetrius Jackson or Zubac?  I know the Celtics traded the two early 2nds, but many times those trades are made with the stipulation that Player X is off the board. 

[SHAQATTACK]

I really wanted the Celtics to draft this guy.  I was mystified when they took Yabu 13 cuz I wanted Zizic. Then I was stoked when Zizic slid to 23 to the C's, but bummed when the C's passed on Zubac  in the early 2nd, to the Lakers of all teams.    For a team starved for talented big men, Zubac would have been a nice 7 foot lottery ticket. 

Who would you rather have taking up a roster spot right now, Demetrius Jackson or Zubac?  I know the Celtics traded the two early 2nds, but many times those trades are made with the stipulation that Player X is off the board.

DA .....looks hard at these types , but seems really hesitant to pull the trigger .....sometimes Imthink he THInKS TOO hard , and just trust his gut feeling .  He must be Terrible at multiple choice tests. LOL

[Androslav]

I just love the buzz my homie Zubac is creating on the forum.
Btw his name is Ivica, if we can change that in the title it would be nice.
Ivica translates to Johnny.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

I really wanted the Celtics to draft this guy.  I was mystified when they took Yabu 13 cuz I wanted Zizic. Then I was stoked when Zizic slid to 23 to the C's, but bummed when the C's passed on Zubac  in the early 2nd, to the Lakers of all teams.    For a team starved for talented big men, Zubac would have been a nice 7 foot lottery ticket. 

Who would you rather have taking up a roster spot right now, Demetrius Jackson or Zubac?  I know the Celtics traded the two early 2nds, but many times those trades are made with the stipulation that Player X is off the board.

we took Yabu 16th. Basically the same thing, but in the interest of accuracy...

[apc]

Ivica translates to Johnny.

That makes total sense 

[apc]

There is no need to feel bad about this.
1. Zizic looks pretty good.
2. If we had picked Zubac he would have been assigned to the D-league- while we argue if his D-league stats are real or not.
3. Even for the terrible Lakers Zubac spent some time at D-league.

Zubac maybe good one day but no need to feel like we missed on something yet.

[IDreamCeltics]

I just love the buzz my homie Zubac is creating on the forum.
Btw his name is Ivica, if we can change that in the title it would be nice.
Ivica translates to Johnny.

Done!

[apc]

Found this related article:

https://thedynastyguru.com/2017/01/27/digging-diamonds-ivica-zubac-ante-zizic/

[Androslav]

I just love the buzz my homie Zubac is creating on the forum.
Btw his name is Ivica, if we can change that in the title it would be nice.
Ivica translates to Johnny.

Done!

TP! That was fast.