Ivica Zubac: huge miss by the Celtics

[wiley]

Who to take with last year's mid and late first round picks is a pretty interesting topic given all the talent/depth.

Leaving logistic aside I would have been fine drafting Zizic and Zubac both.  But I was a Yabu fan too.
Given the hype around Zizic I'm surprised Danny didn't take him at 16 and then hope for Yabu at 23.
Finally, despite being a guard saturated team I was high on Dejounte Murray, who I compared to Paul Pierce in terms of slipperiness.   But it would have been awfully hard for him to find any minutes at all in year one unlike in San Antonio. 

[oldtype]

was he willing to be stashed in Europe?

This was probably the key issue. We may have taken him if he was willing to be stashed.

[IDreamCeltics]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

[IDreamCeltics]

Who to take with last year's mid and late first round picks is a pretty interesting topic given all the talent/depth.

Leaving logistic aside I would have been fine drafting Zizic and Zubac both.  But I was a Yabu fan too.
Given the hype around Zizic I'm surprised Danny didn't take him at 16 and then hope for Yabu at 23.
Finally, despite being a guard saturated team I was high on Dejounte Murray, who I compared to Paul Pierce in terms of slipperiness.   But it would have been awfully hard for him to find any minutes at all in year one unlike in San Antonio.

Wiley, I'm 100% with you.  Dejounte Murray is a player and a lot of people on these boards spotted it early.  I wasn't one of those who spotted him pre-draft, but as soon as Summer league play started the skill you mentioned was on full display. 

I'm of the opinion that one way to win in the NBA is to win in the draft.  I really think that means taking the best talent available and not missing out on players with NBA skill sets with your late round picks. 

You can't keep all your talented young players (good teams have a mix of vets and prospects) but you can certainly move them for further value.  I see no reason Murray and Zubac couldn't have filled the spots of Mickey and Young.     

[crimson_stallion]

Guy's a 7'2 shotblocking monster with a post game and a midrange j.  Already drawing comparisons to Marc Gasol.  In a draft where we had eight picks we passed on this guy four times before he got drafted by LA.   

16 pts 11 rbs 6 blks
https://youtu.be/mUyotm5Fw0o

11 pts 5 rbs 3 blks
https://youtu.be/DDA5UMXAAZQ

9 pts 5 rbs 2 blks
https://youtu.be/OaOHW6QJ5dI

Complete SL highlights
https://youtu.be/4LV-0TOs9IU

I hope Zizic is REALLY good.

I knew this guy was going to be good. 

Reasonably mobile for a man of his size, a monster on defense, angry / tough / physical.  Seems to have the will to win.  Really wanted him - part of me wanted Boston to draft both Zizic and Zubac, then see which one had more upside and stash/move the other.

In fact, we had so many picks (and I didn't love anybody outside the top 10) that I kinda hpoed Danny would use ALL of the remaining picks on a variety of big men. The draft is always a gamble, and you never know who is going to excel - so why leave it to chance?  Tying to throw a 6 with one dice is 1/6 odds.  Throw 5 dice and your chance of ONE of them striking a 6 is much, much higher.

But I personally felt Zubac looked like the better of the two.  I hope Zizic is similarly impressive

[jambr380]

I know it's all a waiting game at this point in their careers on the Zizic / Zubac comparison, but we really couldn't ask for more than what Zizic is doing right now. Calling him our best young prospect is probably a stretch, but there is a lot to be excited about.

[hpantazo]

I know it's all a waiting game at this pony in their careers  on the Zizic / Zubac comparison, but we really couldn't ask for more than what Zizic is doing right now. Calling him our best young prospect is probably a stretch, but there is a lot to be excited about.

Until Zizic does something in the NBA though, Zubac has the advantage.

[KG Living Legend]

 I was a Zizic fan and he was the only pick I've ever got right.

 Would have been fine with Zubac too. Screw Young.

[RockinRyA]

 I was a Zizic fan and he was the only pick I've ever got right.

 Would have been fine with Zubac too. Screw Young.

I heard Zubac didnt want to be stashed. Plus Zizic was better anyway (Zubac left the team coz of Zizic)

[saltlover]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

It's a weird point to get stuck up on, yes.  But, assuredly, the Celtics and Grizzlies agreed on the trade and the Grizzlies told the Celtics to pick Davis.  Since you apparently don't know how draft pick trades work in the NBA -- once draft day starts (actually 24 hours before the draft), picks can not be technically traded until after the selection is made. So it gets reported that the Celtics made a selection and then traded it, but in actuality the teams agree in advance on the trade, and the team trading the pick selects whomever they are told to select.

The NBA has talked about fixing this (for example, in 2013 Lucas Nogueira put on a Celtics hat when he went up to the stage, even though everyone already knew the Celtics had traded that pick to select Olynyk three spots earlier.)  But they haven't done anything about it yet, so people write stupid articles saying that the Celtics selected Deyonta Davis, when they didn't.

[droopdog7]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

It's a weird point to get stuck up on, yes.  But, assuredly, the Celtics and Grizzlies agreed on the trade and the Grizzlies told the Celtics to pick Davis.  Since you apparently don't know how draft pick trades work in the NBA -- once draft day starts (actually 24 hours before the draft), picks can not be technically traded until after the selection is made. So it gets reported that the Celtics made a selection and then traded it, but in actuality the teams agree in advance on the trade, and the team trading the pick selects whomever they are told to select.

The NBA has talked about fixing this (for example, in 2013 Lucas Nogueira put on a Celtics hat when he went up to the stage, even though everyone already knew the Celtics had traded that pick to select Olynyk three spots earlier.)  But they haven't done anything about it yet, so people write stupid articles saying that the Celtics selected Deyonta Davis, when they didn't.

Everybody knows that the trade was agreed upon before the pick was made.  But that doesn't change the fact that the Celtics drafted Davis.  So cover your tracks as you might, the Celtics drafted Davis and traded him is exactly what happened.

[Rondo9]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

It's a weird point to get stuck up on, yes.  But, assuredly, the Celtics and Grizzlies agreed on the trade and the Grizzlies told the Celtics to pick Davis.  Since you apparently don't know how draft pick trades work in the NBA -- once draft day starts (actually 24 hours before the draft), picks can not be technically traded until after the selection is made. So it gets reported that the Celtics made a selection and then traded it, but in actuality the teams agree in advance on the trade, and the team trading the pick selects whomever they are told to select.

The NBA has talked about fixing this (for example, in 2013 Lucas Nogueira put on a Celtics hat when he went up to the stage, even though everyone already knew the Celtics had traded that pick to select Olynyk three spots earlier.)  But they haven't done anything about it yet, so people write stupid articles saying that the Celtics selected Deyonta Davis, when they didn't.

Everybody knows that the trade was agreed upon before the pick was made.  But that doesn't change the fact that the Celtics drafted Davis.  So cover your tracks as you might, the Celtics drafted Davis and traded him is exactly what happened.

What? The trade was agreed upon so the Celtics drafted Davis on the Grizzlies command. What tracks is he covering?

[Quetzalcoatl]

 I was a Zizic fan and he was the only pick I've ever got right.

 Would have been fine with Zubac too. Screw Young.

I heard Zubac didnt want to be stashed. Plus Zizic was better anyway (Zubac left the team coz of Zizic)

This is exactly right.  Zizic is better and Zubac didn't want to be stashed.  Case closed lock the thread

[OldSchoolDude]

Zubec and Zizic we're in the same league.  Zizic led that league in rebounding and was the best center in the league the year before the draft.  So before this season Zizic was clearly better. Is zubec better than advertised? Yes, but Zizic destroyed the Adriatic League this year and is holding his own in Euro league. Both look to over achieve, but Zizic put up better Adriatic League numbers then Zubac,  both of Denver's Biggs, who people keep wanting to trade for, and Nikola Pekovic.  I like the Zizic pick alot.  Zizic looks like he put on weight and may have grown an inch, but who's to say Danny would have still taken Jackson if Zubac was still available.

[crimson_stallion]

Looks like our assessment was right on the money with this kid. 

Profile:  19 year old 7'2 240 lbs. center. 

Worth Noting: He's posted 3 double-doubles in the Laker's last five games playing minutes in the mid-twenties.

Luke Walton Quote: "We don’t call any plays for Zu and he ends up with 15 shot attempts because he sets hard screens or rolls hard to the basket with his hands ready."

History:  Celtics had the 31st pick but took Deyonta Davis and traded him to Memphis, the Lakers took Zubac 32nd.

This is incorrect.  They traded the pick to Memphis.  Memphis took Davis.  Please learn how draft trades work.  It's a broken record around here...

This is a strange point to get stuck on, both because it adds nothing to the conversation AND is incorrect.  The Celtics drafted Davis and immediately traded his rights to Memphis.

Here's 3 sources backing this up.

http://fansided.com/2016/06/23/deyonta-davis-finally-drafted-celtics-immediately-trade-him/

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/23/11873304/nba-draft-2016-deyonta-davis-boston-celtics-trade-memphis-grizzlies

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/deyonta-davis-nba-draft-second-round-celtics-grizzlies-michigan-state-tom-izzo/1xpbr37s453q31lnbv5wcvayga

It's a weird point to get stuck up on, yes.  But, assuredly, the Celtics and Grizzlies agreed on the trade and the Grizzlies told the Celtics to pick Davis.  Since you apparently don't know how draft pick trades work in the NBA -- once draft day starts (actually 24 hours before the draft), picks can not be technically traded until after the selection is made. So it gets reported that the Celtics made a selection and then traded it, but in actuality the teams agree in advance on the trade, and the team trading the pick selects whomever they are told to select.

The NBA has talked about fixing this (for example, in 2013 Lucas Nogueira put on a Celtics hat when he went up to the stage, even though everyone already knew the Celtics had traded that pick to select Olynyk three spots earlier.)  But they haven't done anything about it yet, so people write stupid articles saying that the Celtics selected Deyonta Davis, when they didn't.

Everybody knows that the trade was agreed upon before the pick was made.  But that doesn't change the fact that the Celtics drafted Davis.  So cover your tracks as you might, the Celtics drafted Davis and traded him is exactly what happened.

What? The trade was agreed upon so the Celtics drafted Davis on the Grizzlies command. What tracks is he covering?

Well I can see what tracks he was covering, as I basically see the conversation (in a nutshell) like this:

Saltlover: Boston drafted Davis and traded him to Memphis

IDreamCeltics: You're wrong, that's not how it works at all.   Boston didn't draft Davis, they traded the pick to Memphis, and then memphis drafted him.  You don't know anything and ur a big dumb dumb doodi poo poo head so nyerr

Saltlover: Actually that is how it work - Boston drafted Davis and then traded him to Memphis.  Here's evidence of how it actually works.

IDreamCeltics: Well yeah..I mean.. I supppose technically that is kinda what happens.  But you know under the table unofficially it's already agreed on beforehand so in a way I am kinda sorta not realllly wrong! 

Droopdog7: No you pretty much told him he's wrong when he wasn't, and now you're trying to  twist it so it sounds like you meant something other then what you did mean so that you don't come out looking like the actual doodi head - just own up to it and admit you were wrong.

P.s. I offer free script writing services - call me!!