Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?

[Future Celtics Owner]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.

We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.

It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Great, you traded 3 for 5. What did that do for you other than assuage your sense of 'worth'?

Zach Lavine and the #5 overall(Jaylen Brown or trade for Okafor)
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#3
Well that's what a smart gm would do to increase value. Anytime you make a trade, or decide not to and pass on one, only 3 things can happen in the short-term(trade after pick and before season) and long-term(prove himself during the season):
1)Increase value
2)hold value
3)decrease value

[Future Celtics Owner]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.

We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.

It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Bro, best player availabile. Jaylen Brown was the BPA at #3 and no, there is no guarantee that Brown would have been there at #5. And how do u know that the team picking four through 7 wanted or even had a need to trade up to #3 anyway ? Maybe there were no options to trade #3 within the top 7 teams picking. So go somewhere else with your guarantee's that the Celtics could a, would a, should a picked, traded this for that on draft night and just suck it up and appreciate the fact Danny Ainge made the best choice and drafted the best available prospect at #3. Jaylen Brown is Paul Pierce 2.0 n get over it... Hater

Hater? When did you even hear Jaylen Browns name for the first time...several months ago. Your blind if you think JB holds more value as of this moment over Dunn.
I saw you posted his mixtape from hs......pretty late on that train as well. Use the search button and educate yourself before you call someone a hater.
Better yet. Watch some Paul Pierce tape and take a pen and a long piece of paper to record how many games he played for us without sitting out.
I bet you think IT=PP
What a little NOOB
Oh and watch this:
the current top 4 on DX and other sites will fall...they suck. I picked Dennis Smith Jr, Bam Bam, Thomas Bryant, Jeanne, and more years ago. mark this and in a few months come back and pay some respects...or I will to you

How about Pming me and talking about this before calling me a hater. I don't mind talking, I actually like it.

[GetLucky]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.

We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.

It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Great, you traded 3 for 5. What did that do for you other than assuage your sense of 'worth'?

Zach Lavine and the #5 overall(Jaylen Brown or trade for Okafor)
4
#3
Well that's what a smart gm would do to increase value. Anytime you make a trade, or decide not to and pass on one, only 3 things can happen in the short-term(trade after pick and before season) and long-term(prove himself during the season):
1)Increase value
2)hold value
3)decrease value

If you think Zach LaVine was available for a two-spot move up, you're greatly mistaken. That would be the Celtics equivalent of trading Avery Bradley or Marcus smart to move from 5 to 3. Thibideau was high on Dunn, but Hield was second on their draft board. He knew he would have one of the two, and he was perfectly content to hold the pick, as evidenced by the lack of TWolves trade rumors prior to Dunn slipping.


Assuming interest in moving up, which did NOT exist, we would have been lucky to grab Dieng or Shabazz Muhammed, both of whom cannot play a lick of defense and have no long-term upside as anything other than below-average starters or solid bench players.

[GetLucky]

That said, I can't see Ainge trading Brown. Brown seems like "someone's" pick, whether it was Ainge's, Stevens's, both, or what have you. Brown is obviously more highly-valued internally than externally, making him an unlikely candidate to get traded, in my opinion.

[Future Celtics Owner]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.

We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.

It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Great, you traded 3 for 5. What did that do for you other than assuage your sense of 'worth'?

Zach Lavine and the #5 overall(Jaylen Brown or trade for Okafor)
4
#3
Well that's what a smart gm would do to increase value. Anytime you make a trade, or decide not to and pass on one, only 3 things can happen in the short-term(trade after pick and before season) and long-term(prove himself during the season):
1)Increase value
2)hold value
3)decrease value

If you think Zach LaVine was available for a two-spot move up, you're greatly mistaken. That would be the Celtics equivalent of trading Avery Bradley or Marcus smart to move from 5 to 3. Thibideau was high on Dunn, but Hield was second on their draft board. He knew he would have one of the two, and he was perfectly content to hold the pick, as evidenced by the lack of TWolves trade rumors prior to Dunn slipping.


Assuming interest in moving up, which did NOT exist, we would have been lucky to grab Dieng or Shabazz Muhammed, both of whom cannot play a lick of defense and have no long-term upside as anything other than below-average starters or solid bench players.

TP get lucky. I can see that from your perspective. Although the T-wolves, sixers, bulls, and etc had their eyes on Dunn and PHO could have grabbed him but went for Bender...so I am pretty sure had we traded the 3 for 5 we still could have gotten Jaylen Brown....though I would have been happier or just as happy with Buddy Hield.

I've been talking about Zach Lavine and the #5 for a deal around the #3. I should have mentioned that it would have included the #16 or something else. But you are correct in saying that I do not 100% know the value the Wolves place on Lavine, and neither do you, but he was offered for Butler and if they drafted Hield then Lavine becomes less of a necessity. I really like him but you could make the argument that he is best playing both the 1 and 2 during games for the Wolves....

[Future Celtics Owner]

That said, I can't see Ainge trading Brown. Brown seems like "someone's" pick, whether it was Ainge's, Stevens's, both, or what have you. Brown is obviously more highly-valued internally than externally, making him an unlikely candidate to get traded, in my opinion.

Exactly. But be careful you will get called a hater for saying that. hahaha

[Beat LA]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.

We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.

It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Great, you traded 3 for 5. What did that do for you other than assuage your sense of 'worth'?

Zach Lavine and the #5 overall(Jaylen Brown or trade for Okafor)
4
#3
Well that's what a smart gm would do to increase value. Anytime you make a trade, or decide not to and pass on one, only 3 things can happen in the short-term(trade after pick and before season) and long-term(prove himself during the season):
1)Increase value
2)hold value
3)decrease value

If you think Zach LaVine was available for a two-spot move up, you're greatly mistaken. That would be the Celtics equivalent of trading Avery Bradley or Marcus smart to move from 5 to 3. Thibideau was high on Dunn, but Hield was second on their draft board. He knew he would have one of the two, and he was perfectly content to hold the pick, as evidenced by the lack of TWolves trade rumors prior to Dunn slipping.


Assuming interest in moving up, which did NOT exist, we would have been lucky to grab Dieng or Shabazz Muhammed, both of whom cannot play a lick of defense and have no long-term upside as anything other than below-average starters or solid bench players.

I thought that Dieng was a really good defender, and Thibs liked him a lot coming out of Louisville, iirc.  It was on YouTube, somewhere, pre-draft, I think, and Thibs was just talking about how Dieng was a multiple effort guy, etc., but idk where that clip is now, lol .

I'm also surprised that Hield was so high on their board, given his lack of defense, iirc.  Are they going to bring in any undrafted guys, by any chance?  It's fine if you don't know, but depending on whether or not they get deals through training camp with their respective teams, I could see Thibs going after defense-first guys like Tonye Jekiri and Jarrod Uthoff.  Sidebar: Jekiri, Jekiri, sounds way too much like Shakira, Shakira, lol .

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

Did Jaylen Brown p--- in your cheerios or scuff your kicks one day? Did you see him have a bad game in grade school? There were many people who were worried on draft night, their fears have subsided, but here you are, clinging to this anger like a Rosary at the end times. Kid is legit, you are on a fools errand my friend.