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Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2016, 03:17:17 AM »

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Beat LA, are you foreign to the game of basketball ?

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Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2016, 03:29:59 AM »

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jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.
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Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2016, 03:47:23 AM »

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You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.
We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.
It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.


Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2016, 11:12:13 AM »

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Whoever sees that video highlight of Jaylen Brown and is in anyway disappointed is just str8 hating. I see Paul Pierce 2.0 without a doubt this kid is going to be a all-star sooner rather then later. Stop hating this kid is well on his way to stardom

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2016, 11:14:34 AM »

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You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.
We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.
It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Bro, best player availabile. Jaylen Brown was the BPA at #3 and no, there is no guarantee that Brown would have been there at #5. And how do u know that the team picking four through 7 wanted or even had a need to trade up to #3 anyway ? Maybe there were no options to trade #3 within the top 7 teams picking. So go somewhere else with your guarantee's that the Celtics could a, would a, should a picked, traded this for that on draft night and just suck it up and appreciate the fact Danny Ainge made the best choice and drafted the best available prospect at #3. Jaylen Brown is Paul Pierce 2.0 n get over it... Hater
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 11:21:06 AM by PaulP34 »

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2016, 12:40:05 PM »

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The upside for this kid is an athletic Evan Turner with a 3 point shot - and a top level defender on top of that.  No way.
If he is athletic and has a 3, how is he Evan Turner?
"Athletic Evan Turner with a three-point shot" is describing Tracy McGrady.

Just a footnote:  TMac was a low-turnover shot-creator, like Jimmy Butler.  Turner was very inefficient - though what he provided was in short supply on the Celtics the last couple of years, even after Thomas came on board.

Brown has a precise, smooth stroke.  It looks possible that he'll be able to shoot with range, given practice.  For now, his upside looks more like Butler than McGrady.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2016, 12:55:13 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

I love this post. TP!

People really don't get how great Brown could become. If he works hard, he's a star because of his talent. It's really that simple. And I believe he will work hard from listening and reading his intervieww, not to mention the improvement he should after each summer league game.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2016, 01:25:44 PM »

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jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

I love this post. TP!

People really don't get how great Brown could become. If he works hard, he's a star because of his talent. It's really that simple. And I believe he will work hard from listening and reading his intervieww, not to mention the improvement he should after each summer league game.

To me people overlook this a lot.

Consistent scorers are ones that go to the FT line.   It's like those games IT has where his shot is off but somehow he claws himself to 20 points through getting to the FT line.

The most dynamic offensive players cause the defense to have to more and react to them and that's how fouls get drawn most times.

Also, to me Summer League is about what is shown in how a player plays the game.  A lot of players can do things on paper coming into the NBA but until you see them out there you don't see how they can make an impact.  Like Simmons passing is clearly immediately translating to the NBA already. 

Brown has the mentality of a great scorer going to the rim, which is a real part of the equation.  I think everyone is familiar with Jeff Green.  Jeff Green does not often have the aggressive mentality to attack the rim despite being one of the best athletes in the NBA.  Just seeing openings and attacking them is a quality people underrate.  It's a big difference maker in the NBA where there are a lot of talented and athletic players.

Brown attacks and he has a right and left hand and gets to the line.  Great start for his potential.  I'd like him to make more shots at the rim but he is getting great looks. It's not exactly like say Smart where he isn't shooting well but it's not like he is getting right to the rim and missing some of the great looks Brown has missed so far.

Also, this team really needs an athletic slasher.  He can step right in and help the team that way.  We really don't have any players like that (Crowder has had his times last season but he's not Brown's level of athletic) despite playing in an up and down system.  There will be opportunity for him being a slasher, cutter, and finisher on the break from day one.

It's been interesting comparing my notes to others.  I think some on this board seem to be very high for him.  Basically everyone in the media talks like he has been bad in SL, bringing up the bad parts and not the good, and I really don't get it.  To me he has been very encouraging.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 01:32:16 PM by Snakehead »
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Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2016, 07:41:57 PM »

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Beat LA, are you foreign to the game of basketball ?

Your posts make it seem like you're from a soccer nation or somewhere in the boondocks.

No, but I am foreign to the concept of people being unable to prefer a sport over their country's national pastime, etc., unless of course we're talking about North Korea, where I imagine people are mandated to like whatever sports which are promoted by their tyrannical regime.

I also don't see a problem with someone hailing from a 'soccer country' ::), as if that somehow makes them inferior ::). Is that you, Dan Shaughnessy ;) ;D?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

See, I used to believe this, too, and then Marcus Smart happened, lol ;D, so hopefully Brown turns out to be much better than the former 6th overall pick, to say the least.

My issue isn't in the free throw attempts, themselves, but how he gets them by pushing off with his arms and lowering his shoulder.  That won't cut it in the NBA, unfortunately :-\.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 07:58:31 PM by Beat LA »

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2016, 08:25:45 PM »

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Beat LA, are you foreign to the game of basketball ?

Your posts make it seem like you're from a soccer nation or somewhere in the boondocks.

No, but I am foreign to the concept of people being unable to prefer a sport over their country's national pastime, etc., unless of course we're talking about North Korea, where I imagine people are mandated to like whatever sports which are promoted by their tyrannical regime.

I also don't see a problem with someone hailing from a 'soccer country' ::), as if that somehow makes them inferior ::). Is that you, Dan Shaughnessy ;) ;D?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

See, I used to believe this, too, and then Marcus Smart happened, lol ;D, so hopefully Brown turns out to be much better than the former 6th overall pick, to say the least.

My issue isn't in the free throw attempts, themselves, but how he gets them by pushing off with his arms and lowering his shoulder.  That won't cut it in the NBA, unfortunately :-\.

Forget pushing off, you won't get those free throw attempts if teams don't respect your perimeter shot. Brown plays exactly as expected.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2016, 08:38:16 PM »

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You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.
We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.
It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Bro, best player availabile. Jaylen Brown was the BPA at #3 and no, there is no guarantee that Brown would have been there at #5. And how do u know that the team picking four through 7 wanted or even had a need to trade up to #3 anyway ? Maybe there were no options to trade #3 within the top 7 teams picking. So go somewhere else with your guarantee's that the Celtics could a, would a, should a picked, traded this for that on draft night and just suck it up and appreciate the fact Danny Ainge made the best choice and drafted the best available prospect at #3. Jaylen Brown is Paul Pierce 2.0 n get over it... Hater
Why don't you open your eyes. Dunn was the target for the teams I mentioned and even more.

I like Jaylen Brown and in fact I posted about him during his jr year of hs and throughout. Believe it or not it was guys like you that gave me a hard time about posting on Jaylen Brown. Same guys gave me a hard time for posting since soph/jr year of hs for:Myles Turner, Karl Towns, Wiggins, AD, Joel Embiid, Brandon Ingram, Dennis Smith Jr, Bam Bam, Ben Simmons

I'm a hater?because I stated that I love Jaylen Brown and he's our guy but he did not hold value as well as Dunn would have? Typical dumb fan, you know enough to form an opinion but not enough to navigate past your bias and see the truth.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2016, 08:41:40 PM »

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You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.
We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.
It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

How do you know what other teams' draft boards were? Because of mock drafts, twitter rumors and post-draft analysis? Most teams don't leak their draft preferences before the draft, and even if they do it's just as likely to be misinformation.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2016, 09:29:17 PM »

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Beat LA, are you foreign to the game of basketball ?

Your posts make it seem like you're from a soccer nation or somewhere in the boondocks.

No, but I am foreign to the concept of people being unable to prefer a sport over their country's national pastime, etc., unless of course we're talking about North Korea, where I imagine people are mandated to like whatever sports which are promoted by their tyrannical regime.

I also don't see a problem with someone hailing from a 'soccer country' ::), as if that somehow makes them inferior ::). Is that you, Dan Shaughnessy ;) ;D?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

See, I used to believe this, too, and then Marcus Smart happened, lol ;D, so hopefully Brown turns out to be much better than the former 6th overall pick, to say the least.

My issue isn't in the free throw attempts, themselves, but how he gets them by pushing off with his arms and lowering his shoulder.  That won't cut it in the NBA, unfortunately :-\.

Forget pushing off, you won't get those free throw attempts if teams don't respect your perimeter shot. Brown plays exactly as expected.

That too ;D.

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2016, 09:33:31 PM »

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You never know.

But if you want to trade a pick the best time is after the pick order is determined and before the pick selection is made.

Different teams would have made different choices with that #3.

If (that's a big if) Ainge intends to trade Brown it would make a lot more sense to let him play some NBA games first to convince other teams of his value.

This.  Jaylene Brown is useless to other teams, and I won't blame teams for not wanting him.  So, yea, we are stuck with him.

LOL  . . . . . you still haven't forgiven Danny for not trading on draft night.
We could have traded down 5-7 and still grabbed Jaylen so the value is just not there right now to get back what we would want, especially with other like players(stanley johnson, winslow, and etc.).
Still would have been much smarter to have drafted Dunn and waited, especially with Philly getting more and more desperate and lowering costs.

Not at all guaranteed you can ever trade down and still get the guy you want. Just because he's mocked 5th doesn't mean the team picking 4th isn't secretly high on him. If he was good in Celtics workouts he was probably good in other teams' workouts too. Can't risk missing out on your guy just to pick up an extra pick that you don't even have a roster spot for anyway.
It's pretty guaranteed. PHO wanted Bender even over Dunn, and Dunn has more value. Wolves wanted Dunn, Pelicans wanted Buddy Hield the whole time and were ecstatic he fell to them....

Let's say we traded the #3 for the #5:
1-simmons
2-Ingram
3-Dunn
4-Bender
5-Jaylen

How would it not go in that order?Even if we traded for the 6th....the Wolves would almost def not picked Jaylen because of the logjam it would create with Lavine and Wiggins already on the team
IMO people are giving Jaylen more value because we picked him, not because he actually has more value. I love Jaylen and he's our guy, but the #3 pick has lost value because we did not draft correctly. Buddy Hield and Murray were also better fits for the Wolves and Pelicans over Jaylen Brown, but that is just based on analysis.

But had we traded the #3 for the #5 Jaylen would have been available.

Jaylen Brown does not equal the value that the pick had on draft night and before we can get any value back, or increase the value, Jaylen will have to show it on the floor during the season. As opposed to Dunn who could be traded now and hold his value and the value of the pick it required to draft him.

Great, you traded 3 for 5. What did that do for you other than assuage your sense of 'worth'?

Re: Lots of trade rumors lately...think Danny gives up JB?
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Beat LA, are you foreign to the game of basketball ?

Your posts make it seem like you're from a soccer nation or somewhere in the boondocks.

No, but I am foreign to the concept of people being unable to prefer a sport over their country's national pastime, etc., unless of course we're talking about North Korea, where I imagine people are mandated to like whatever sports which are promoted by their tyrannical regime.

I also don't see a problem with someone hailing from a 'soccer country' ::), as if that somehow makes them inferior ::). Is that you, Dan Shaughnessy ;) ;D?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahVAgCPbiAw

jpotter33 that ^ is most likely the worst 'highlight reel' I've ever seen.  I mean, you know you're an offensive juggernaut when at least half of the video is devoted to the fouls that you've drawn, lma0 ;D. Ugh.

I mean, drawing fouls is one of the absolute best indicators of offensive success in the NBA, so I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed by that.

Here's the list of the top-10 players with the most free throw attempts per game last season:
1: Cousins
2: Harden
3: Jordan
4: Gallinari
5: Derozan
6: Drummond
7: Westbrook
8: Durant
9: Butler
10: Davis

So, outside of the anomalies like Jordan and Drummond (hack-a-Shaq technique), it seems that a high amount of free throw attempts per game is associated with good offensive players, since those are 6-7 of the best offensive players in the NBA.

FYI - IT was 16th on the list. We didn't have another one until Crowder at 77, and interestingly Smart was our next one at 97 at 2.79 attempts per game.

See, I used to believe this, too, and then Marcus Smart happened, lol ;D, so hopefully Brown turns out to be much better than the former 6th overall pick, to say the least.

My issue isn't in the free throw attempts, themselves, but how he gets them by pushing off with his arms and lowering his shoulder.  That won't cut it in the NBA, unfortunately :-\.

Forget pushing off, you won't get those free throw attempts if teams don't respect your perimeter shot. Brown plays exactly as expected.

This makes no sense. He got those free throw attempts whether they were playing tight on him or not. He'll get to the line plenty in the big leagues in the early going. He'll probably be top four on the team in attempts.
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