POLL: Is Blake Griffin worth giving up Lottery Picks and 1 or 2 Core Players?

[Evantime34]

I'm not giving up both nets picks. One nets pick, Bradley and crowder should be enough. I'm not doing the deal unless he promises not to opt out a year from now.

If Blake is determined healthy, and plays like he did in 2013, he's the second best player in the east. He would solve our rebounding issues and bring Blake back to his pee Deandre rebounding numbers.

Blake is a great fit next to Horford. They both are plus passers who will fit great in our offense. Both can guard multiple positions which facilitates the switching defense Brad prefers to run.

Both Blake and horford have played on top 5 defenses, and Griffin is a better defender than he gets credit for.

The Celtics play at one of the fastest paces in the league, Griffin is elite in the open court put those things together and you get much  improved offense.

We would miss crowder and Bradley who were out defensive heart beat, but they can be replaced for an upgrade this good.

[ashanm10]

if you try to focus on the chat headline, looks like a three letter word XD "doc" ? XD hahah

[Surferdad]

For Cousins yes, not for Blake.

[jambr380]

I think Cs fans are generally in agreement that we would give up AB, a BKN pick, and non-Rozier/Brown/Smart young players (along with LAC 1st and 2nds) in a deal for an all-star.

Honestly, it's not a bad package, even though people may just call me a homer. It might not be enough for Griffin, Cousins, Westbrook, or Butler, but I would like to know what the above package could get us in a trade.

[Dino Pitino]

if you try to focus on the chat headline, looks like a three letter word XD "doc" ? XD hahah

Awesome, lol.

Safe to assume Marcus isn't being traded in that chat?

[Bobshot]

Suspect Ainge is trying to get Griffin on the cheap because of option year coming up and medical issues.

[dannyboy35]

Would people really give up crowder before smart?

[dannyboy35]

Didn't we give up less for Garnett??

[crimson_stallion]

Athleticism waning at 27.

LOL.

I've seen it all. He's a fringe All-Star, he's overrated. It makes me wonder if people have actually watched him play an actual game or just his highlight dunks on youtube. Zach Lowe wrote an interesting article about this exact scenario in January (he thinks we should deal Avery+Crowder+a BKN 1st). It's a good read: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14669764/blake-griffin-tenure-los-angeles-become-questions-hour

After 6 seasons in the NBA, Blake Griffin has career averages of 21.5 Points, 9.6 rebounds and 4.1 assists to go with 52% FG.  He has made the All-Star team in the highly competitive Western Conference 5 times in his first 6 seasons.  He's an efficient scorer who gets to the line at a good rate, has a very good post game, has a decent mid-range game, and can step out to the three point line on occasion.  He's one of the top 2 or 3 best passing big men in the game.

I do not agree with your assessment that he is a fringe All-Star. Blake Griffin is a perennial All-Star, and a fringe superstar.

Is he perfect?  No.  He has defensive limitations, he's got health concerns, and he's a bit of a bonehead.  But there is no denying the man is a top 15-20 talent in this league.  Not quite Demarcus Cousins good, but he's not far off. 

[crimson_stallion]

Would people really give up crowder before smart?

I'd MUCH rather give up Smart, and I think that is an absolute no brainier for a couple of reasons.

1) Crowder is a better player

2) Crowder can shoot, which helps court spacing

3) Crowder is locked in long term at bargain money (Smart has 2 years or so before hes a FA)

4) I don't think Brown is ready to start at SF (that's a lot of pressure to put on a very raw 19 YO and we have no other SF on the roster, so we can't really afford to let Crowder go

5) I like Smart and would love to be able to keep him, but the emergence of Terry Rozier gives us insurance, so if we do need to deal Smart I can live with that

 

[RJ87]

Athleticism waning at 27.

LOL.

I've seen it all. He's a fringe All-Star, he's overrated. It makes me wonder if people have actually watched him play an actual game or just his highlight dunks on youtube. Zach Lowe wrote an interesting article about this exact scenario in January (he thinks we should deal Avery+Crowder+a BKN 1st). It's a good read: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14669764/blake-griffin-tenure-los-angeles-become-questions-hour

After 6 seasons in the NBA, Blake Griffin has career averages of 21.5 Points, 9.6 rebounds and 4.1 assists to go with 52% FG.  He has made the All-Star team in the highly competitive Western Conference 5 times in his first 6 seasons.  He's an efficient scorer who gets to the line at a good rate, has a very good post game, has a decent mid-range game, and can step out to the three point line on occasion.  He's one of the top 2 or 3 best passing big men in the game.

I do not agree with your assessment that he is a fringe All-Star. Blake Griffin is a perennial All-Star, and a fringe superstar.

Is he perfect?  No.  He has defensive limitations, he's got health concerns, and he's a bit of a bonehead.  But there is no denying the man is a top 15-20 talent in this league.  Not quite Demarcus Cousins good, but he's not far off.

The interesting thing is, there can be a case made that Blake is a better player. I did a quick comparison: http://bkref.com/tiny/bDjwr  and Blake they're a lot more even defensively than people realize. Blake doesn't block a lot of shots so he people think he's a poor defender, but he's improved a lot over the past few seasons.

[mmmmm]

Would people really give up crowder before smart?

I'd MUCH rather give up Smart, and I think that is an absolute no brainier for a couple of reasons.

1) Crowder is a better player

2) Crowder can shoot, which helps court spacing

3) Crowder is locked in long term at bargain money (Smart has 2 years or so before hes a FA)

4) I don't think Brown is ready to start at SF (that's a lot of pressure to put on a very raw 19 YO and we have no other SF on the roster, so we can't really afford to let Crowder go

5) I like Smart and would love to be able to keep him, but the emergence of Terry Rozier gives us insurance, so if we do need to deal Smart I can live with that

I agree 100% on all points.

Unfortunately, the things that make Crowder desirable for us to keep make him desirable for other teams as well.

And the things that cause us to question our value for Marcus also cause other teams to devalue him in accordance.

As I said, I concur 100%, but unfortunately a deal for a star is not likely to be painless.

[CoachBo]

I'm not giving up both nets picks. One nets pick, Bradley and crowder should be enough. I'm not doing the deal unless he promises not to opt out a year from now.

If Blake is determined healthy, and plays like he did in 2013, he's the second best player in the east. He would solve our rebounding issues and bring Blake back to his pee Deandre rebounding numbers.

Blake is a great fit next to Horford. They both are plus passers who will fit great in our offense. Both can guard multiple positions which facilitates the switching defense Brad prefers to run.

Both Blake and horford have played on top 5 defenses, and Griffin is a better defender than he gets credit for.

The Celtics play at one of the fastest paces in the league, Griffin is elite in the open court put those things together and you get much  improved offense.

We would miss crowder and Bradley who were out defensive heart beat, but they can be replaced for an upgrade this good.

Good post. TP. I see nothing in here I disagree with.

[dannyboy35]

I'm not giving up both nets picks. One nets pick, Bradley and crowder should be enough. I'm not doing the deal unless he promises not to opt out a year from now.

If Blake is determined healthy, and plays like he did in 2013, he's the second best player in the east. He would solve our rebounding issues and bring Blake back to his pee Deandre rebounding numbers.

Blake is a great fit next to Horford. They both are plus passers who will fit great in our offense. Both can guard multiple positions which facilitates the switching defense Brad prefers to run.

Both Blake and horford have played on top 5 defenses, and Griffin is a better defender than he gets credit for.

The Celtics play at one of the fastest paces in the league, Griffin is elite in the open court put those things together and you get much  improved offense.

We would miss crowder and Bradley who were out defensive heart beat, but they can be replaced for an upgrade this good.

Good post. TP. I see nothing in here I disagree with.

Can you guys think of a couple of players we could use to fill in for Bradley and crowder? I'm bracing myself if this ever happened but I'm not dtring with numbers/ cap stuff. Any ideas?

[CoachBo]

I'm not giving up both nets picks. One nets pick, Bradley and crowder should be enough. I'm not doing the deal unless he promises not to opt out a year from now.

If Blake is determined healthy, and plays like he did in 2013, he's the second best player in the east. He would solve our rebounding issues and bring Blake back to his pee Deandre rebounding numbers.

Blake is a great fit next to Horford. They both are plus passers who will fit great in our offense. Both can guard multiple positions which facilitates the switching defense Brad prefers to run.

Both Blake and horford have played on top 5 defenses, and Griffin is a better defender than he gets credit for.

The Celtics play at one of the fastest paces in the league, Griffin is elite in the open court put those things together and you get much  improved offense.

We would miss crowder and Bradley who were out defensive heart beat, but they can be replaced for an upgrade this good.

Good post. TP. I see nothing in here I disagree with.

Can you guys think of a couple of players we could use to fill in for Bradley and crowder? I'm bracing myself if this ever happened but I'm not dtring with numbers/ cap stuff. Any ideas?

Personally, I'd prefer to move Smart in this deal rather than Bradley/Crowder. But Doc loves him some Avery, so there's that, and it's been accurately pointed out above why Smart has limited trade value.

Since Brad really doesn't operate with standard positions, I suspect you'd be looking at Griffin, Horford, IT and then a broad variety of combinations, including Olynyk, Rozier - although I don't give a whit about anything he's done in summer league; it means nothing - Smart and Jerebko. I don't see Brown being a serious threat for playing time.

This trade would leave us bench-thin, no question about it, and set us up to pay mightily for the bleak returns of the last two drafts. But, it would greatly add athleticism to a wildly unathletic team, and would certainly enhance the scoring possibilities of the first five.

Interesting trade-off.