Sully is no longer a celtics

[apc]

Shocking that he didn't get any offers yet.

[BudweiserCeltic]

From all I can tell though, we probably renounced his Bird Rights as well. Seems like a premature thing to do by management in all honesty, probably wanted to make sure that Al Horford was signed before he changed his mind lol.

Correct, his Bird rights also needed to be renounced if we removed his cap exception (which was needed to sign Horford).

I guess the question is also, if you renounce his QO, does his cap hold change as well? I mean, is there room to have kept his Bird Rights if renouncing his QO meant a lowered cap hold?

[walker834]

I still like Sully. There have been much worse pf's in this game and he's still young. 

Gives room for some of our other more versatile guys to play though. Sully was not that.

[hpantazo]

That's a lotta rebounds they have to replace. And they aren't good at rebounding to begin with.
They better have something big coming.

We already replaced him with an all-star big man in Al Horford. I'm not sure what else you are expecting here.

[PAOBoston]

Good riddance.

[Vox_Populi]

I hope there's a good reason, because I'd rather slightly overpay Sullinger than have Zeller on a cheap contract. Zeller was one of the 5 worst centers in the league last season by RPM. Among other negative contributions and it's not like he's going to get better unlike Sully who probably still has some upside left.

[saltlover]

From all I can tell though, we probably renounced his Bird Rights as well. Seems like a premature thing to do by management in all honesty, probably wanted to make sure that Al Horford was signed before he changed his mind lol.

Correct, his Bird rights also needed to be renounced if we removed his cap exception (which was needed to sign Horford).

I guess the question is also, if you renounce his QO, does his cap hold change as well? I mean, is there room to have kept his Bird Rights if renouncing his QO meant a lowered cap hold?

The only time a cap hold would change in rescinding a players QO is if his QO is larger than his cap hold would be through Bird rights.  Sully's QO was $4.4 million and his cap hold $5.6 million, so there would be no change.

Rescinding his QO does not require them to renounce his cap hold, but at least from O'Connor's tweet, that is what they've done.  And we knew they had to have done something to sign Horford on Friday, so I'm going with that tweet being accurate.

[BudweiserCeltic]

From all I can tell though, we probably renounced his Bird Rights as well. Seems like a premature thing to do by management in all honesty, probably wanted to make sure that Al Horford was signed before he changed his mind lol.

Correct, his Bird rights also needed to be renounced if we removed his cap exception (which was needed to sign Horford).

I guess the question is also, if you renounce his QO, does his cap hold change as well? I mean, is there room to have kept his Bird Rights if renouncing his QO meant a lowered cap hold?

The only time a cap hold would change in rescinding a players QO is if his QO is larger than his cap hold would be through Bird rights.  Sully's QO was $4.4 million and his cap hold $5.6 million, so there would be no change.

Rescinding his QO does not require them to renounce his cap hold, but at least from O'Connor's tweet, that is what they've done.  And we knew they had to have done something to sign Horford on Friday, so I'm going with that tweet being accurate.

Yep, that was my interpretation as well, just trying to see if there was some wiggle room left.

In the end I think this is a premature move, with the information we have on hand. I do think though that they felt pressured to get Horford done as soon as possible for some reason, and this was the simplest way of doing it.

The question is why Sullinger and not Zeller? I can see that they may desire to keep Zeller more than Sullinger simply for the fact that he's much lower maintenance, and for the role we might need him he'd be just fine. But his cap hold is higher than Sullinger, regardless with the removal of either's cap hold's gives us plenty of room to operate for what's left to complete our roster.

[Alleyoopster]

If Austin Rivers got $35 million for 3 years. Surely, Sully get a whole lot more from some team.

[saltlover]

From all I can tell though, we probably renounced his Bird Rights as well. Seems like a premature thing to do by management in all honesty, probably wanted to make sure that Al Horford was signed before he changed his mind lol.

Correct, his Bird rights also needed to be renounced if we removed his cap exception (which was needed to sign Horford).

I guess the question is also, if you renounce his QO, does his cap hold change as well? I mean, is there room to have kept his Bird Rights if renouncing his QO meant a lowered cap hold?

The only time a cap hold would change in rescinding a players QO is if his QO is larger than his cap hold would be through Bird rights.  Sully's QO was $4.4 million and his cap hold $5.6 million, so there would be no change.

Rescinding his QO does not require them to renounce his cap hold, but at least from O'Connor's tweet, that is what they've done.  And we knew they had to have done something to sign Horford on Friday, so I'm going with that tweet being accurate.

Yep, that was my interpretation as well, just trying to see if there was some wiggle room left.

In the end I think this is a premature move, with the information we have on hand. I do think though that they felt pressured to get Horford done as soon as possible for some reason, and this was the simplest way of doing it.

The question is why Sullinger and not Zeller? I can see that they may desire to keep Zeller more than Sullinger simply for the fact that he's much lower maintenance, and for the role we might need him he'd be just fine. But his cap hold is higher than Sullinger, regardless with the removal of either's cap hold's gives us plenty of room to operate for what's left to complete our roster.

Perhaps Zeller is more willing to participate in a sign-and-trade than Sully.  Perhaps he is more likely to accept his (lower) QO, or sign a 1+1 deal.  The difference in cap space is negligible -- if you want to use that cap space to sign or trade for a player, both would be renounced.

[hardlyyardley]

Yes, but Rivers' contract has a clause that Daddy is no longer required to give him an allowance

[walker834]

We just drafted 3 players that play his position.  Seems like ainge isn't going to hold onto players just to trade them.  It's risky somewhat that way.  Sully really did not fit here with Horford at all.

We need the roster space.  Maybe the celtics like what they've seen from Yabusele and felt comfortable enough where they were just holding Sully in the interm.

[Alleyoopster]

Yes, but Rivers' contract has a clause that Daddy is no longer required to give him an allowance

TP Didn't hear about that clause...

[pearljammer10]

Thank heavens. Don't let the door hit ya.

[BudweiserCeltic]

As it stands, here are some possibilities... they want to keep Yabusele with the team instead of stashing him, they might have a good outlook in keeping Zeller (maybe in a 1yr deal), maybe a trade is coming and they needed the cap space.

From a C's standpoint, those might make the most sense to me. Of course, maybe they did indeed feel pressured to sign Al Horford right away. But, even though I feel this was a premature thing to to, I'll have to wait and see what else happens before we can judged what occurred here. Ainge and his CBA Guru team are very good at their job, and they always seem to milk the most they can from their cap room situation.

So, will be interesting to see in the end what motivated this decision and so soon into FA.