Let's be real: The nets had an awful offseason

[celticsclay]

Honestly it is ok to step back and laugh at the absurdity of our pessimism at times. If we were thinking they would get Evan turner, Barnes, rondo etc. at least one of those guys if not multiple. Instead they post Thad and didn't sign a single even average NBA starter.

[Ogaju]

Boogie on Reggae woman.. that is all we need !!!!!!

[max215]

Honestly it is ok to step back and laugh at the absurdity of our pessimism at times. If we were thinking they would get Evan turner, Barnes, rondo etc. at least one of those guys if not multiple. Instead they post Thad and didn't sign a single even average NBA starter.

I would much rather have the guys they signed than Rondo, and possibly Turner too. I was rooting for Rondo to the Nets, given how bad his advanced numbers have been for a while now. I think they had a good offseason, when you take their situation into account. I still think they'll be a bottom five team next year. Last offseason, I was firmly of the belief that they would be terrible, even while many members claimed that they'd contend for a playoff spot. I've always been of the mind that the Nets are terrible, that the pick's should be traded for nothing less than an MVP candidate, but they had a good offseason.

[PhoSita]

I mean, I actually think it's been a really solid offseason for them, and a really great offseason for us.

What would have been awful for us and them would have been if they had overpaid for middling free agents.  I certainly thought that was the way they were gonna go.

Going after younger role players and RFAs, while selling off their better players to get picks, is exactly how they should have approached this off-season.  Sean Marks seems to be approaching this the right way.

The only thing missing is a Brook Lopez for picks and young role players kinda deal.  I'm still hoping that might happen.

[ReadyFor17]

I think they're going to trade Brook and make this whole conversation moot anyway. He'll be 30 by the time they need to max him, which also coincides with them getting their picks back. Brook doesn't make sense in a rebuild and he REALLY doesn't make sense in a rebuild as a max contract after age 30. With the cap madness he is finally a good value and should yield a couple decent assets to help their cause (and ours).

It's nice that they were able to attract bench players with money and promises of starting, I guess, but all of that cap space couldn't get a single relevant FA in the door. Conley, Bazemore, Fournier, Horford, Barnes (pre-Finals), etc...these were names that I saw Nets fans regularly throw around as possibilities "because Brooklyn" and "because cap space."

All I can say for sure is their offseason wasn't a complete disaster, though it would be close if Johnson and/or Crabbe are matched.

[max215]

I think they're going to trade Brook and make this whole conversation moot anyway. He'll be 30 by the time they need to max him, which also coincides with them getting their picks back. Brook doesn't make sense in a rebuild and he REALLY doesn't make sense in a rebuild as a max contract after age 30. With the cap madness he is finally a good value and should yield a couple decent assets to help their cause (and ours).

It's nice that they were able to attract bench players with money and promises of starting, I guess, but all of that cap space couldn't get a single relevant FA in the door. Conley, Bazemore, Fournier, Horford, Barnes (pre-Finals), etc...these were names that I saw Nets fans regularly throw around as possibilities "because Brooklyn" and "because cap space."

All I can say for sure is their offseason wasn't a complete disaster, though it would be close if Johnson and/or Crabbe are matched.

I agree that Lopez will be gone soon, but the question is, who wants him? I'm really having trouble thinking of any teams that would want him, be able to take on his salary, and willing to give up assets for him.

[ReadyFor17]

I think they're going to trade Brook and make this whole conversation moot anyway. He'll be 30 by the time they need to max him, which also coincides with them getting their picks back. Brook doesn't make sense in a rebuild and he REALLY doesn't make sense in a rebuild as a max contract after age 30. With the cap madness he is finally a good value and should yield a couple decent assets to help their cause (and ours).

It's nice that they were able to attract bench players with money and promises of starting, I guess, but all of that cap space couldn't get a single relevant FA in the door. Conley, Bazemore, Fournier, Horford, Barnes (pre-Finals), etc...these were names that I saw Nets fans regularly throw around as possibilities "because Brooklyn" and "because cap space."

All I can say for sure is their offseason wasn't a complete disaster, though it would be close if Johnson and/or Crabbe are matched.

I agree that Lopez will be gone soon, but the question is, who wants him? I'm really having trouble thinking of any teams that would want him, be able to take on his salary, and willing to give up assets for him.

That's true, but I remember thinking very similar things about Rondo, a much worse player on an expiring deal. All it takes is one injury or one situation change to impact a move like this.

[Moranis]

I think they're going to trade Brook and make this whole conversation moot anyway. He'll be 30 by the time they need to max him, which also coincides with them getting their picks back. Brook doesn't make sense in a rebuild and he REALLY doesn't make sense in a rebuild as a max contract after age 30. With the cap madness he is finally a good value and should yield a couple decent assets to help their cause (and ours).

It's nice that they were able to attract bench players with money and promises of starting, I guess, but all of that cap space couldn't get a single relevant FA in the door. Conley, Bazemore, Fournier, Horford, Barnes (pre-Finals), etc...these were names that I saw Nets fans regularly throw around as possibilities "because Brooklyn" and "because cap space."

All I can say for sure is their offseason wasn't a complete disaster, though it would be close if Johnson and/or Crabbe are matched.

I agree that Lopez will be gone soon, but the question is, who wants him? I'm really having trouble thinking of any teams that would want him, be able to take on his salary, and willing to give up assets for him.

Dallas makes sense (him and Bogut would be a nice combo).  Chicago makes sense (they need interior scoring).  Charlotte makes sense (better version of Jefferson who they lost).  LA Lakers make some sense (nice 1st star for Lakers for next summer).  Milwaukee makes some sense (straight up Lopez for Monroe).  Even Boston makes sense (he would compliment Horford quite well).

[Smartacus]

Lin could be huge for this team, Charlotte is a sneaky pick to take a big step back IMO. Batum and Marvin Williams were both in contract years, which of course so was Jermy Lin, but Lin has that whole representing the Asian community aspect of his personality that keeps him motivated. Barring some development from Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminski and hopefully the injection of a healthy Michael Kidd Gilchrist I don't see how they could possibly be better than last year after losing Lin, Courtney lee, and Al Jefferson (had a terrible year but was a veteran voice in the locker room).

I think it's pretty easy to see a world where Jeremy Lin takes what he started in Charlotte and builds on it to become a top 15 point guard, This isn't like New York where he had to coeexist with Melo. This isn't like Houston where there was no real structure to support him and Harden. It's put up or shut up time and it's possible the Lin could be up to the task.

Crabbe is overpaid but will help their spacing and is certainly not a negative player on the court.

There's a reason why Tyler Johnson was coveted so highly. Apparently he's an excellent competitor and a hard worker.  He's the type of focused player that will be great for establishing a culture in Brooklyn. I'm really hoping Miami matches.

I've been burned before by projecting Brooklyn to be better but I think with the structure that Sean Marks is creating they could be take a fairly large step forward this year. Can't be understated too that they have no incentive to tank and a roster full of young hungry players.

[guava_wrench]

Lin deal seems fine. Crabbe and Johnson seem pricey. A lot of money for young guys that aren't particularly special. They are hoping for those two to develop further. I don't think that those two add much right away.

They are 2 24 your olds on a bad team. Has either of them established themselves as a clear NBA starter? Maybe they will be contributors long term, but that doesn't mean that they amount to much this season.

[mef730]

It's not about how much better they got on an absolute basis. It's about relative strength. In other words, I also believe that they got a little better, but look at the other teams in their cluster:

Philly: Your guess is as good as mine, but if Embiid is any good, they could pass the Nets.

Lakers: Clearly got better. They massively overpaid to do so, but they should pass the Nets this year.

Sac: Kind of ugly, but should be okay if Cousins is healthy

NO: Kind of ugly, but should be okay if Davis is healthy

PHX: Getting better simply by getting their best player back.

In other words, it's okay that the Nets took a step forward if everyone in their peer group took two.

Mike

[Ilikesports17]

Lin could be huge for this team, Charlotte is a sneaky pick to take a big step back IMO. Batum and Marvin Williams were both in contract years, which of course so was Jermy Lin, but Lin has that whole representing the Asian community aspect of his personality that keeps him motivated. Barring some development from Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminski and hopefully the injection of a healthy Michael Kidd Gilchrist I don't see how they could possibly be better than last year after losing Lin, Courtney lee, and Al Jefferson (had a terrible year but was a veteran voice in the locker room).

I think it's pretty easy to see a world where Jeremy Lin takes what he started in Charlotte and builds on it to become a top 15 point guard, This isn't like New York where he had to coeexist with Melo. This isn't like Houston where there was no real structure to support him and Harden. It's put up or shut up time and it's possible the Lin could be up to the task.

Crabbe is overpaid but will help their spacing and is certainly not a negative player on the court.

There's a reason why Tyler Johnson was coveted so highly. Apparently he's an excellent competitor and a hard worker.  He's the type of focused player that will be great for establishing a culture in Brooklyn. I'm really hoping Miami matches.

I've been burned before by projecting Brooklyn to be better but I think with the structure that Sean Marks is creating they could be take a fairly large step forward this year. Can't be understated too that they have no incentive to tank and a roster full of young hungry players.

they do get MKG back

[Smartacus]

Lin could be huge for this team, Charlotte is a sneaky pick to take a big step back IMO. Batum and Marvin Williams were both in contract years, which of course so was Jermy Lin, but Lin has that whole representing the Asian community aspect of his personality that keeps him motivated. Barring some development from Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminski and hopefully the injection of a healthy Michael Kidd Gilchrist I don't see how they could possibly be better than last year after losing Lin, Courtney lee, and Al Jefferson (had a terrible year but was a veteran voice in the locker room).

I think it's pretty easy to see a world where Jeremy Lin takes what he started in Charlotte and builds on it to become a top 15 point guard, This isn't like New York where he had to coeexist with Melo. This isn't like Houston where there was no real structure to support him and Harden. It's put up or shut up time and it's possible the Lin could be up to the task.

Crabbe is overpaid but will help their spacing and is certainly not a negative player on the court.

There's a reason why Tyler Johnson was coveted so highly. Apparently he's an excellent competitor and a hard worker.  He's the type of focused player that will be great for establishing a culture in Brooklyn. I'm really hoping Miami matches.

I've been burned before by projecting Brooklyn to be better but I think with the structure that Sean Marks is creating they could be take a fairly large step forward this year. Can't be understated too that they have no incentive to tank and a roster full of young hungry players.

they do get MKG back

Ya man, I'm rooting for him. Good kid hope he recovers fully.

[nickagneta]

With the additions, which haven't been finalized and could not happen, and subtractions, I thi,k Brooklyn is probably about where they were last year, about 20-23 wins. Now if Portland and Miami match on Crabbe and Johnson, forget it, the Nets are clearly worse.

And all of this is assuming they have the same health as last year when they were one of the healthier teams in the league. If Lopez goes down for extenxed time, they could be looking at a win total that Hinkie and Kahn would be proud of.

[Grindfather]

Lin could be huge for this team, Charlotte is a sneaky pick to take a big step back IMO. Batum and Marvin Williams were both in contract years, which of course so was Jermy Lin, but Lin has that whole representing the Asian community aspect of his personality that keeps him motivated. Barring some development from Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminski and hopefully the injection of a healthy Michael Kidd Gilchrist I don't see how they could possibly be better than last year after losing Lin, Courtney lee, and Al Jefferson (had a terrible year but was a veteran voice in the locker room).

I think it's pretty easy to see a world where Jeremy Lin takes what he started in Charlotte and builds on it to become a top 15 point guard, This isn't like New York where he had to coeexist with Melo. This isn't like Houston where there was no real structure to support him and Harden. It's put up or shut up time and it's possible the Lin could be up to the task.

Crabbe is overpaid but will help their spacing and is certainly not a negative player on the court.

There's a reason why Tyler Johnson was coveted so highly. Apparently he's an excellent competitor and a hard worker.  He's the type of focused player that will be great for establishing a culture in Brooklyn. I'm really hoping Miami matches.

I've been burned before by projecting Brooklyn to be better but I think with the structure that Sean Marks is creating they could be take a fairly large step forward this year. Can't be understated too that they have no incentive to tank and a roster full of young hungry players.

they do get MKG back

Ya man, I'm rooting for him. Good kid hope he recovers fully.

I like MKG too, but there is some evidence that he makes CHA slightly worse. The offense Steve Clifford built last year, without MKW, had great spacing and created good shots for guys. It's one reason why M. Williams, Batum, Lamb, and Lin had such good seasons. MKW kinda murders spacing and throughs the offense out of whack. That being said, Clifford's a great coach and I still like the Hornets next year.