No way Yabusele plays overseas

[KG Living Legend]

Can someone explain to me why a player would benefit by playing overseas as opposed to playing in the D-league? I don't know anything about overseas basketball, and I've always wondered why a foreign player is drafted and continues to play abroad, while the college rookies go to the D-league if they don't make the roster.
My best guess is that it's related to money, but I am hoping someone can elaborate.

 It's mostly salary cap reasons. He doesn't count against the cap or cost us a roster spot.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Nader will walk.   I think has had enough of Sully we might keep him for the QO, but no raise for him.   Why on God's green earth would you reward the habitual breakdowns and weight gain and lack of conditioning on Sully.   So far, no one else wants him, which ought to show his value to the rest of the league.   I am fine with the QO  but no way should we invest in him in the long term given what we have seen.

We hear it every thing, I am going to get in shape, it's my metabolism.   Maybe this year the buck stops here.

[jay]

For me, the Draymond Green comparison is a little extreme at this stage in Yabu's career. Mostly because they have very similar builds. Not to mention, there's a lot bball IQ and passing that he can improve on before he's on that Draymond level. If you want a more tempered ceiling for him, I would look more at Paul Millsap. Either way, it would be nice to get him in there sooner instead of later to play with Horford as much as possible; as well as adjust to the quick passing offense the Cs run

Draymond Vert?

[SHAQATTACK]

I think Nader will walk.   I think has had enough of Sully we might keep him for the QO, but no raise for him.   Why on God's green earth would you reward the habitual breakdowns and weight gain and lack of conditioning on Sully.   So far, no one else wants him, which ought to show his value to the rest of the league.   I am fine with the QO  but no way should we invest in him in the long term given what we have seen.

We hear it every thing, I am going to get in shape, it's my metabolism.   Maybe this year the buck stops here.

He tossed away millions and millions of dollars .....to eat and live like  3/4 of overweight America .

Probably one of the most gifted players on the team with skill set .   But would rather play video game and eat his way to an early death .

[mctyson]

Can someone explain to me why a player would benefit by playing overseas as opposed to playing in the D-league? I don't know anything about overseas basketball, and I've always wondered why a foreign player is drafted and continues to play abroad, while the college rookies go to the D-league if they don't make the roster.
My best guess is that it's related to money, but I am hoping someone can elaborate.

Because you don't have to spend a roster spot on someone who's not ready to play for your team.

Or even if he is ready...you still don't.

[chilidawg]

Yabu will make the roster imo. Once zully are both gone to other teams

Danny said he expects 2 maybe 3 from the draft to make the roster

With Yabusele overseas it allows for one or two of Jackson and Bentil to make the roster along with Brown... of course depending on what happens with Zeller/Sullinger.

What best we can hope for though from a purely asset gathering AND 2016-17 season best roster is that all our rookies outside of Brown accept a non-NBA contract (trades and other FA targets aside).

Yabu over Bentil

If Bentil was better I would agree with you. But he is not

Jackson looka like one way or the other will make the team as the 3rd string pg

Bentil, Yabusele and Mickey largely look like the same player. The thing is you can have Bentil without losing Yabusele -- but not the other way round.

haha not even close!!! Not saying Yab is so much better but they have completly different games

Similar sizes, although Yab is beefier than the other two.  Bentil is a more polished offensive player, but no where near the defender.  Yabusele will probably never be the shot blocker that Mickey is, but might be a better rebounder because of his bulk.  Both are showing signs of developing a perimeter game, but Bentil is already there.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think Nader will walk.   I think has had enough of Sully we might keep him for the QO, but no raise for him.   Why on God's green earth would you reward the habitual breakdowns and weight gain and lack of conditioning on Sully.   So far, no one else wants him, which ought to show his value to the rest of the league.   I am fine with the QO  but no way should we invest in him in the long term given what we have seen.

We hear it every thing, I am going to get in shape, it's my metabolism.   Maybe this year the buck stops here.

The idea of Sully is because his cap hold is lower than Zeller's, which might enable us some flexibility we might need with other moves (like signing 2nd rounders to three+ year contracts).

The idea of giving Sully a "raise" or a big contract is because you need players with hefty contracts to be able to match up other expensive talented players in a trade, so here comes in Sully, the disposable salary aggregator.

All that said, no, Danny shouldn't and I think will not give anyone a multi-year contract without non-guarantees/team options after the first year.

He shouldn't and probably won't commit more salary to next year's cap, particularly so we can have enough cap space to go after another max level player.

So the only reason you would "reward" Sully, is because it benefits US to do so.

[Beat LA]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

Sure we can - we're really good at it, lol . Oh for the days when rookies actually played in their first year for the Celtics.  It was a magical time.  I remember it well.

[nickagneta]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

Sure we can - we're really good at it, lol . Oh for the days when rookies actually played in their first year for the Celtics.  It was a magical time.  I remember it well.

Celtics have a long history of playing rookies, when the rookies had immense talent. Except for Brown and Smart, the Celtics havent had a rookie with immense talent since Rondo. Smart played as a rookie and so will Brown. The others? They dont have immense talent. They will have to earn their time and most likely sit most of the year or play in the D League.

Heck, I remember when the draft was all 22 year old seniors only and even then rookies would sit their first year just to get used to the difference between college and pros. Nowadays rookies are 19, undeveloped and teams and fans feel the need to play them even though they arent ready. Yup, nothing like the good ole days.

[Beat LA]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

It also doesn't mean you give valuable roster spots to players that won't contribute to the team this year. Yabusele can develop overseas playing against established professionals. Bentil and Jackson can develop overseas or decide to sign a contract in the D League. You can develop players without having them on the roster. Look at what the C's did with Iverson and Thornton.

[Beat LA]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

Sure we can - we're really good at it, lol . Oh for the days when rookies actually played in their first year for the Celtics.  It was a magical time.  I remember it well.

Celtics have a long history of playing rookies, when the rookies had immense talent. Except for Brown and Smart, the Celtics havent had a rookie with immense talent since Rondo. Smart played as a rookie and so will Brown. The others? They dont have immense talent. They will have to earn their time and most likely sit most of the year or play in the D League.

Heck, I remember when the draft was all 22 year old seniors only and even then rookies would sit their first year just to get used to the difference between college and pros. Nowadays rookies are 19, undeveloped and teams and fans feel the need to play them even though they arent ready. Yup, nothing like the good ole days.

Wait a second, I thought you said that players had to earn minutes on this team, regardless of draft position, but now you say that guys like Brown and Smart will and have played because they have 'immense talent'? 



Also, in terms of Smart, and I'm trying to be kind, here, lol, I guess that you could say that that's subjective, but he was nowhere near Rondo as a rookie and still isn't, imo.

[rochrist]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

Sure we can - we're really good at it, lol . Oh for the days when rookies actually played in their first year for the Celtics.  It was a magical time.  I remember it well.

They seem to have done pretty well developing Rozier. By the end of his rookie season he was earning playoff minutes, and now he looks poised to play an important part of the team this season.

[BitterJim]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

It also doesn't mean you give valuable roster spots to players that won't contribute to the team this year. Yabusele can develop overseas playing against established professionals. Bentil and Jackson can develop overseas or decide to sign a contract in the D League. You can develop players without having them on the roster. Look at what the C's did with Iverson and Thornton.

Can you please stop using this gif?  I have to give you a TP every time I see it

[BitterJim]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

Sure we can - we're really good at it, lol . Oh for the days when rookies actually played in their first year for the Celtics.  It was a magical time.  I remember it well.

Celtics have a long history of playing rookies, when the rookies had immense talent. Except for Brown and Smart, the Celtics havent had a rookie with immense talent since Rondo. Smart played as a rookie and so will Brown. The others? They dont have immense talent. They will have to earn their time and most likely sit most of the year or play in the D League.

Heck, I remember when the draft was all 22 year old seniors only and even then rookies would sit their first year just to get used to the difference between college and pros. Nowadays rookies are 19, undeveloped and teams and fans feel the need to play them even though they arent ready. Yup, nothing like the good ole days.

Wait a second, I thought you said that players had to earn minutes on this team, regardless of draft position, but now you say that guys like Brown and Smart will and have played because they have 'immense talent'? 



Also, in terms of Smart, and I'm trying to be kind, here, lol, I guess that you could say that that's subjective, but he was nowhere near Rondo as a rookie and still isn't, imo.

Or he's saying that rookies with immense talent (i.e. Rondo, Smart, likely Brown) earn those minutes from the start (other examples: Sully (on a Doc-coached team, no less), KO)

[Beat LA]

Just because we got Horford does not mean we can ignore the development of our youth.

It also doesn't mean you give valuable roster spots to players that won't contribute to the team this year. Yabusele can develop overseas playing against established professionals. Bentil and Jackson can develop overseas or decide to sign a contract in the D League. You can develop players without having them on the roster. Look at what the C's did with Iverson and Thornton.

Can you please stop using this gif?  I have to give you a TP every time I see it

Lol, why is that?