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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #135 on: July 06, 2016, 11:08:11 PM »

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Rondo's career 3P% is higher than Wade's.  Maybe it won't be so bad if Rondo can replicate the 36.% percent he shot last season and Butler can approach his 38.1% career high.

Rondo's was on extremely limited attempts, though. Like, he didn't even average one made per game.

Just looking at Wade's percentages have me shocked, though. He's only shot 30% or better four times in his career, peaking at 31.7% in 2009, and he's shot below 20% twice in his career. That is terrible, which is obviously not good for three penetrating players.

Combining those three with a non-shooter in Lopez, and you might have the absolute least amount of spacing ever.

I really think this only makes sense if you plan to start McDermott, Mirotic, or Valentine at the three. I think Butler is expendable to this team. Crowder for Butler makes a lot more sense for them now. Crowder is more of a spotup shooter/off-ball attacker than Butler.

Or hell, go smaller and move Wade to the three full-time and trade them Bradley, who is already familiar with Rondo's game and has proven effective with him before.

Anyone's effective with Rondo, imo.  The guy made Tyler Zeller look like a starting center, lol ;D.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #136 on: July 06, 2016, 11:11:04 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.
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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #137 on: July 06, 2016, 11:14:09 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I keep worrying that they are going to be good, but then I realize that they were supposed to be good last year.

They basically replaced Rose with Wade, Noah with Rondo, and Pau with Lopez. They certainly have the name recognition, but I don't see why they should suddenly be awesome.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #138 on: July 06, 2016, 11:14:49 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I think the worst part will be watching Jimmy Butler be frustrated and thinking how good he would look in green, but recognizing that the Bulls are not going to take a reasonable offer for him even with their team languishing in mediocrity and a lack of chemistry.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #139 on: July 06, 2016, 11:15:12 PM »

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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #140 on: July 06, 2016, 11:15:31 PM »

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You guys realize there is more than one way to win than just shoot threes all day... wade never had an issue getting to the rim and the free throw line even with everyone.knowing he's not a great shooter... this bulls squad is exactly.the kind of team to give golden state fits.. gritty.. tough and some players who can defend on perimeter (if rondo is locked.in admittedly)...

Okay, you add three other non-shooters out there alongside Wade in Rondo, Butler, and Lopez, and that's a bit of a different situation. lol

They're going to have to play Mirotic at the starting 4 spot now.

I think they will be ok.. I didn't see rondo total shooting percentage this year but usually him and wade are in the high end of field goal percentage among guards... plus Butler d wade mid range game.will be very good...

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #141 on: July 06, 2016, 11:16:32 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I think the worst part will be watching Jimmy Butler be frustrated and thinking how good he would look in green, but recognizing that the Bulls are not going to take a reasonable offer for him even with their team languishing in mediocrity and a lack of chemistry.

Yeah, I think we'd be a legitimate contender to come out of the East with Butler under some type of trade package that we offered.
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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #142 on: July 06, 2016, 11:24:34 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I think the worst part will be watching Jimmy Butler be frustrated and thinking how good he would look in green, but recognizing that the Bulls are not going to take a reasonable offer for him even with their team languishing in mediocrity and a lack of chemistry.

Yeah, I think we'd be a legitimate contender to come out of the East with Butler under some type of trade package that we offered.

It's just an issue of how much? We can't be a contender if we gut our team. I'm willing to part with one of Bradley, Crowder, Smart, or Brown, one of Rozier, Hunter, Yabasule, or Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn pick, and other future firsts.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #143 on: July 06, 2016, 11:30:49 PM »

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[ I'm willing to part with one of Bradley, Crowder, Smart, or Brown, one of Rozier, Hunter, Yabasule, or Zizic, 2018 Brooklyn pick, and other future firsts.

You're dreaming if you think that type of package would land you Butler.  We couldn't even get Butler using the 3rd pick of the draft as part deal.  Most teams didn't have Brown that high on their draft board so the 3rd pick > Brown in the eyes of most teams.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #144 on: July 06, 2016, 11:32:18 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I keep worrying that they are going to be good, but then I realize that they were supposed to be good last year.

They basically replaced Rose with Wade, Noah with Rondo, and Pau with Lopez. They certainly have the name recognition, but I don't see why they should suddenly be awesome.

Lopez is a major downgrade from Pau, Rondo actively makes teams worse, and Wade is in decline and duplicates the skillset of their best player.

The Bulls are awful.
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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #145 on: July 06, 2016, 11:34:15 PM »

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Wow - Wade will be the highest-paid player on his team for the first time in his career.  To be fair I think he was tied in the LeBron years.  But still.  No wonder he was p---ed at the lowball.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #146 on: July 06, 2016, 11:34:48 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I keep worrying that they are going to be good, but then I realize that they were supposed to be good last year.

They basically replaced Rose with Wade, Noah with Rondo, and Pau with Lopez. They certainly have the name recognition, but I don't see why they should suddenly be awesome.

Lopez is a major downgrade from Pau, Rondo actively makes teams worse, and Wade is in decline and duplicates the skillset of their best player.

The Bulls are awful.

Offensively, yes, but defensively, no.  Pau is lazy and terrible defender at this point in his career, and I'm not sure that he was really ever that great of one to begin with :-\.

Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #147 on: July 06, 2016, 11:35:54 PM »

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The Bulls are such a hateable team now. They're gonna win 45 games and lose in the first round and I'm going good to be unreasonably invested in seeing them fail.

I keep worrying that they are going to be good, but then I realize that they were supposed to be good last year.

They basically replaced Rose with Wade, Noah with Rondo, and Pau with Lopez. They certainly have the name recognition, but I don't see why they should suddenly be awesome.

Lopez is a major downgrade from Pau, Rondo actively makes teams worse, and Wade is in decline and duplicates the skillset of their best player.

The Bulls are awful.

I think they will be okay.
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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #148 on: July 06, 2016, 11:37:09 PM »

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I love this bit from Chris Forsberg at ESPN:

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As the Miami Heat watch 34-year-old Dwyane Wade walk away for nothing, it's a good time to remember that the Boston Celtics turned 35-year-old Paul Pierce and 37-year-old Kevin Garnett into a package that included three first-round picks and a trade exception that ultimately helped deliver All-Star Isaiah Thomas to Boston.
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Re: Dwyane Wade agrees to deal with the Chicago Bulls
« Reply #149 on: July 06, 2016, 11:50:43 PM »

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I love this bit from Chris Forsberg at ESPN:

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As the Miami Heat watch 34-year-old Dwyane Wade walk away for nothing, it's a good time to remember that the Boston Celtics turned 35-year-old Paul Pierce and 37-year-old Kevin Garnett into a package that included three first-round picks and a trade exception that ultimately helped deliver All-Star Isaiah Thomas to Boston.

Truth is Wade is on the decline and probably has little trade value.  Brooklyn was poorly managed and made a TON of mistakes - how about D-Ron and JJ2?

Looks like MIA wanted Wade to leave but without explicitly showing him the door.  I don't blame the Heat for not showing him the money now.  I mean if you are going to give credit to Wade for taking less for the good of the team, you can't at the same time support him now for asking for payback.  He'd be overpaid at $25m/yr based on his recent performance, no question about it.