Is Gordon Hayward a backup plan? How does he fit into this rebuild?

[LarBrd33]

He's unrestricted next Summer, right?   Keep that cap space.  He's someone I could totally see us landing for a max deal.   Would fit great.  Maybe if he drops hints to Utah he's bailing, they will cash in on him before the trade deadline, but I wouldn't break the bank to get him if we can just sign him.

This team as-is should win 55 games next year.  We'll be a player in free agency for sure as long as we don't get hit with injuries and have a surprisingly bad season.

As things stand now we'll have, what, $50m or so at the end of the next season? That's a max player and another decent contract.

Note: I'm using Spotrac numbers and having trouble making heads or tails of them.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/

Mike

When you factor in all our rookies and everything, we'd have roughly 30 mil in cap space next summer if we let Amir and Jerbko walk - that's if we gave Olynyk a Qualifying offer.  You can give him the QO, sign a big contract and then give Olynyk a larger deal, right?  Maybe not... maybe we'd have to have Olynyk walk as well.  But we should be in line to offer a max deal to someone like Hayward next year.

[kozlodoev]

He's unrestricted next Summer, right?   Keep that cap space.  He's someone I could totally see us landing for a max deal.   Would fit great.  Maybe if he drops hints to Utah he's bailing, they will cash in on him before the trade deadline, but I wouldn't break the bank to get him if we can just sign him.

This team as-is should win 55 games next year.  We'll be a player in free agency for sure as long as we don't get hit with injuries and have a surprisingly bad season.

As things stand now we'll have, what, $50m or so at the end of the next season? That's a max player and another decent contract.

Note: I'm using Spotrac numbers and having trouble making heads or tails of them.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/

The numbers mean that we currently have $30 million in cap space, $45 million if we renounce all cap holds. We're $50 million under the luxury tax cutoff. These figures don't seem to account for any of our draft picks this season.

Can't tell much about next season because the cap is not known yet.

[Smokeeye123]

He would definitely sign here in free agency. There is zero point in giving anything up for him. See how next year shakes out first. If we get the number one pick in the draft for instance and there is a true superstar at the top, getting Hayward would be a better move. If not then maybe you try and trade for someone better.

[kozlodoev]

He would definitely sign here in free agency. There is zero point in giving anything up for him. See how next year shakes out first. If we get the number one pick in the draft for instance and there is a true superstar at the top, getting Hayward would be a better move. If not then maybe you try and trade for someone better.

Why, so that he can split playing time with Crowder, Bradley, Brown, and Smart? Nah.

[Smokeeye123]

He would definitely sign here in free agency. There is zero point in giving anything up for him. See how next year shakes out first. If we get the number one pick in the draft for instance and there is a true superstar at the top, getting Hayward would be a better move. If not then maybe you try and trade for someone better.

Why, so that he can split playing time with Crowder, Bradley, Brown, and Smart? Nah.

Why? Because he is better than all four players you mentioned and was coached by Brad Stevens at Butler? He would be the immediate starter.

And I'd be surprised if all those players remained on the roster by the end of next year. I like Crowder and Bradley as players *but they are all expendable and would easily be flipped for better ones given the right opportunity.

*See Demarcus Cousins

[mef730]

He's unrestricted next Summer, right?   Keep that cap space.  He's someone I could totally see us landing for a max deal.   Would fit great.  Maybe if he drops hints to Utah he's bailing, they will cash in on him before the trade deadline, but I wouldn't break the bank to get him if we can just sign him.

This team as-is should win 55 games next year.  We'll be a player in free agency for sure as long as we don't get hit with injuries and have a surprisingly bad season.

As things stand now we'll have, what, $50m or so at the end of the next season? That's a max player and another decent contract.

Note: I'm using Spotrac numbers and having trouble making heads or tails of them.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/

The numbers mean that we currently have $30 million in cap space, $45 million if we renounce all cap holds. We're $50 million under the luxury tax cutoff. These figures don't seem to account for any of our draft picks this season.

Can't tell much about next season because the cap is not known yet.

Thanks. I'm assuming 110.

Mike

[Celtics4ever]

op 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

HOLY GREEN TINTED SHADES BATMAN................

Top 5-7 is a reach

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/16/4/pts/1-1

LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, Leonard, Hayward, Gallinari all better

Crowder is 12th in efficiency, 15th in scoring, 21st in Rebounds, 23rd in Assists, 4th in steals, 16th in blocks, and 53rd in shooting percentage.

I love Crowder, he is a glue guy, but he is not a top 5-7 SF.

[RJ87]

op 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

HOLY GREEN TINTED SHADES BATMAN................

Top 5-7 is a reach

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/16/4/pts/1-1

LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, Leonard, Hayward, Gallinari all better


Crowder is 12th in efficiency, 15th in scoring, 21st in Rebounds, 23rd in Assists, 4th in steals, 16th in blocks, and 53rd in shooting percentage.

I love Crowder, he is a glue guy, but he is not a top 5-7 SF.

I was going to say... I like Crowder too, but I'm not sure when he became this key foundation piece. He's a nice guy to have once you have stars in place, but you absolutely should be willing to flip him if you can upgrade your roster.

[Quetzalcoatl]

op 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

HOLY GREEN TINTED SHADES BATMAN................

Top 5-7 is a reach

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/16/4/pts/1-1

LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, Leonard, Hayward, Gallinari all better

Crowder is 12th in efficiency, 15th in scoring, 21st in Rebounds, 23rd in Assists, 4th in steals, 16th in blocks, and 53rd in shooting percentage.

I love Crowder, he is a glue guy, but he is not a top 5-7 SF.

Jae is 5th in real plus minus, which is IMO is a pretty important statistic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5

1.) LeBron
2.) Kawhi
3.) Durant
4.) Paul George
5.) Jae
6.) Hayward
7.) Carmelo

[alldaboston]

Not sure he even leaves that Utah team. They look ready to take that next step this year. They've got good talent and potential. I see them as a sleeper team this year.

[RJ87]

op 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

HOLY GREEN TINTED SHADES BATMAN................

Top 5-7 is a reach

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/16/4/pts/1-1

LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, Leonard, Hayward, Gallinari all better

Crowder is 12th in efficiency, 15th in scoring, 21st in Rebounds, 23rd in Assists, 4th in steals, 16th in blocks, and 53rd in shooting percentage.

I love Crowder, he is a glue guy, but he is not a top 5-7 SF.

Jae is 5th in real plus minus, which is IMO is a pretty important statistic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5

1.) LeBron
2.) Kawhi
3.) Durant
4.) Paul George
5.) Jae
6.) Hayward
7.) Carmelo

According to that stat, Jared Dudley is a Top 10 SF. I think we can all agree that may not be the best measurement.

[meangreenmachine]

As safe a bet as any: Hayward will be a Celtic this time next year. Do not be surprised if Shelvin Mack joins him. He's a nice backup PG. This is the Stevens/Butler connection at work. We gotta keep the man happy, and what better way than giving him his boys from Butler?

Under Stevens, the sky is the limit for Hayward. I would bank on him finally being an all-star.

Add another big to our core of Horford, Hayward, Bradley and Thomas, with Smart, Crowder and Brown off the bench, and I think we've got ourselves a championship contender. See:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86265.0

[Monkhouse]

op 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

HOLY GREEN TINTED SHADES BATMAN................

Top 5-7 is a reach

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/16/4/pts/1-1

LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, Leonard, Hayward, Gallinari all better

Crowder is 12th in efficiency, 15th in scoring, 21st in Rebounds, 23rd in Assists, 4th in steals, 16th in blocks, and 53rd in shooting percentage.

I love Crowder, he is a glue guy, but he is not a top 5-7 SF.

Jae is 5th in real plus minus, which is IMO is a pretty important statistic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5

1.) LeBron
2.) Kawhi
3.) Durant
4.) Paul George
5.) Jae
6.) Hayward
7.) Carmelo

According to that stat, Jared Dudley is a Top 10 SF. I think we can all agree that may not be the best measurement.

True, but at the same time, Jared Dudley is vastly underrated. He's still been an important and vital bench/sixth man.

[Monkhouse]

As safe a bet as any: Hayward will be a Celtic this time next year. Do not be surprised if Shelvin Mack joins him. He's a nice backup PG. This is the Stevens/Butler connection at work. We gotta keep the man happy, and what better way than giving him his boys from Butler?

Under Stevens, the sky is the limit for Hayward. I would bank on him finally being an all-star.

Add another big to our core of Horford, Hayward, Bradley and Thomas, and I think we've got ourselves a championship contender. See:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86265.0

Get DMC, put Horford at the 4.

[Beat LA]

I've never understood the fascination with this guy.  Is it just because of the Butler connection?  He's okay, sure, but he's not a star, imo.