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Offline mahonedog88

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As we all know, it feels like it's a bad kept secret that Russell Westbrook is on his way to LA in free agency in a year.  Just seems inevitable.  Now I have no sources of this, but is it crazy to think that as long as the Cs have enough cap space to award a max deal, that Gordon Hayward is as good as guaranteed to sign here?

With 2 years left on his deal, there's already little rumblings that he's ready to move on from Utah.  The Cs have expressed big interest in him before, obviously the big Brad Stevens connection there, feels like he'd fit in here and that he'd like playing here.  Outside of Utah who can offer him more money than anyone, every team can offer him the same amount for a max deal, and if that's the case, why wouldn't he come here?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Danny is planning this rebuild with that in mind, especially now that Kevin Durant is off the table.  So at least Ainge doesn't have to trade assets for Hayward if he genuinely believes he has a huge chance of signing here...and you would hope that in 2 years, this team would improved enough that Hayward is sort of the cherry on top to at least be perennial Eastern Conference contenders.

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As long as we have (or have space for) a true superstar before/after getting him, he'd be a great player to get.  But instead of a superstar?  No thanks
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Offline kozlodoev

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What rebuild?
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yeah i think hed be a really good fit now. but 2 years is a long time to wait. lot can change in 2 yeas. maybe he pushes for a trade this year? but it doesnt seem likely

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I am not sure Haywood is at an All-Star level of talent and I think it would be a huge mistake paying him the max when we have a top 5-7 SF in the league in Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown as a rookie playing the same position as Haywood.

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What rebuild?
Ha!   1993-2000.   Now that was a rebuild. This is just fun.

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I would have no trouble paying Hayward in the 20m range if I had the option.  He's durable, a good soldier, can get his own shot, high character guy.  Another piece in the puzzle. Rather have Butler or another big that's  not from Philly though.

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God, no.

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yeah i think hed be a really good fit now. but 2 years is a long time to wait. lot can change in 2 yeas. maybe he pushes for a trade this year? but it doesnt seem likely

He can opt out after this upcoming season. I do think we talk to him, with the Brad connection, and he's a guy Ainge has always been fond of.
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Hayward would be a really good addition to this team, but the Celts would the be locking themselves into a core of Hayward / Crowder / Horford, plus whoever they can afford to keep among Thomas, Smart, Brown, Bradley, Olynyk, and the future BRK picks.

That could work great, if Brown or one of the future BRK picks turns into a superstar.  Otherwise, you're talking about a good-not-great team.
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Good players are welcome, but right now we are developing from within or hunting all star players.
Our financial peak efficiency, at the current team development trajectory, probably comes in 2 summers from now, in 2018-19.

Here are some arguments why:
- Smart becomes RFA and his cap hold is considerable cause he was the 6th pick and that gives us some space and flexibility.
- Bradley and Thomas become UFAs, additional 15 mil$
- Brown, Mickey, RJ, Rozier, Yabusele, Žižić and the rest of the young men will all be on a super cheap contracts demanding between 1%-4% of the projected cap in 2018-19. We expect to get some starters and role players there at that bargain. Maybe even more in Browns case.
- Crowder could very probably be outperforming his contract then. He will be paid at about 40% of the starters salary, while still being relatively young (27) and presumably at his peak.
- Big Als big pay is the only big contract. At 32 he will still perform well I believe. He is a skilled player. They age better.
- 2 high to mid lottery BKN picks. Their salaries are depending on the new CBA changes in regard of the rookie scale contracts. Say about 10 mil$ for both.

All those core (sans Kelly) and prospect players salaries would still leave at about 80 mil$ of Guarantied salaries. That is 12-15 players, practically full roster.
Cap will be at 110-115 mil$ by then. That is a considerable cap space.
For the sake of this projection I didn't include any trades. They could increase our guaranteed salary off course. The point is more about how we can wait for the bigger fish/fishes.

Hayward is nice, but he is more of a valuable supporter than a leading man.
In the end, who knows, maybe his relationship with Brad gives us some value in the long run.
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If they were going to get Hayward, I don't know why they would draft Brown. Hayward is a shooter, sure, but he's a 3, and how many of those can you have on the court?

Celts are overloaded now at the 1,2 and 3. They must deal with their weakest link--the 4 and 5.
Horford is a start. They have a ways to go. Winning Championships is about D. Especially up front.

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He's unrestricted next Summer, right?   Keep that cap space.  He's someone I could totally see us landing for a max deal.   Would fit great.  Maybe if he drops hints to Utah he's bailing, they will cash in on him before the trade deadline, but I wouldn't break the bank to get him if we can just sign him.

This team as-is should win 55 games next year.  We'll be a player in free agency for sure as long as we don't get hit with injuries and have a surprisingly bad season.

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He's unrestricted next Summer, right?   Keep that cap space.  He's someone I could totally see us landing for a max deal.   Would fit great.  Maybe if he drops hints to Utah he's bailing, they will cash in on him before the trade deadline, but I wouldn't break the bank to get him if we can just sign him.

This team as-is should win 55 games next year.  We'll be a player in free agency for sure as long as we don't get hit with injuries and have a surprisingly bad season.

As things stand now we'll have, what, $50m or so at the end of the next season? That's a max player and another decent contract.

Note: I'm using Spotrac numbers and having trouble making heads or tails of them.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2017/

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What rebuild?
Ha!   1993-2000.   Now that was a rebuild. This is just fun.
To be more precise, this is a 48 win team who recently signed a max-level FA, can sign one more next season, picked #3 in the draft, and is likely to pick in the top 5 for two more years. Let that soak in for a bit.
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