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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2016, 08:22:35 AM »

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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2016, 08:40:32 AM »

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It seems to me that this discussion is not going far and well, perhaps since no one has provided their criteria for retiring numbers. As a result many folks are talking past one another.

HOF level or close to it? What about cornbread's number?
Always a Celtics, for a long time anyway? kG is disqualified.
Championships? Pierce only has one.
Fan favorite and ran the team? Employee number 8 is waiting.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2016, 08:55:11 AM »

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"How many 4th-best on one championship players have the C's retired?"

Forget the "one championship" criterion:

How many 4th-best or worse players have the C's retired? Lots, lol.

Rondo was an obscenity-hair away from being the 4th-best or better on two championship teams. And in two other playoff runs, in memorable ESPN Classic fashion, he was our #1 player.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2016, 09:02:59 AM »

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Non-star players retired by the Celtics:

- Locsy
- KC Jones
- Frank Ramsey
- Don Nelson
- Cornbread

And let's not forget, DJ was the 4th best player on the 80's Celtics team, similar to Rondo.

Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2016, 09:10:26 AM »

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Non-star players retired by the Celtics:

- Locsy
- KC Jones
- Frank Ramsey
- Don Nelson
- Cornbread

And let's not forget, DJ was the 4th best player on the 80's Celtics team, similar to Rondo.
Those teams were considerably better for considerably longer.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2016, 09:11:21 AM »

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@ mr. dee All of them helped the team to win multiple titles.... Rondo didn`t. Not his fault of course!

I think higher of RR than many in the forum but this is the Celtics. Being very good for 3-4 seasons doesn`t cut it.

Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2016, 09:12:43 AM »

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Non-star players retired by the Celtics:

- Locsy
- KC Jones
- Frank Ramsey
- Don Nelson
- Cornbread

And let's not forget, DJ was the 4th best player on the 80's Celtics team, similar to Rondo.

great, but do other factors come into play? number of championships? length of time a celtic?

i mean to be blunt, should reggie williams' number be retired?
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2016, 09:15:18 AM »

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Non-star players retired by the Celtics:

- Locsy
- KC Jones
- Frank Ramsey
- Don Nelson
- Cornbread

And let's not forget, DJ was the 4th best player on the 80's Celtics team, similar to Rondo.

great, but do other factors come into play? number of championships? length of time a celtic?

i mean to be blunt, should reggie williams' number be retired?

#35 wouldn't be retired if it wasn't for the tragic death. People of Boston loves Lewis too outside the court as he was doing some charity works for the community.

Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2016, 09:26:07 AM »

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What about Rondo ? Who cares

Mr ". I haven't played defense in years"

He wrote his own history .....not a good ending.

Thanks for Crowder tho .... :D

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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 09:40:50 AM »

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What about Rondo? He's one of my favourite players but I don't believe he's getting his number retired. Pierce of course, Garnett yes because of the culture impact on the team. Rondo and Ray, nah I don't think they deserve it solely because they were part of a championship team

For any other team but Boston, Ray gets his number retired.  Rondo, not so much.  He arguably wasn't even the fourth most important player on a championship team and, outside of several magical moments, had just a largely good career in Boston that ended disasterously.

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No. There is no rational argument where Rondo is not the 4th best player in 2008. Those magical "moments" were the length of entire playoff series and entire playoffs.

1.  I said "most important," not best.  There is a serious argument that Posey or PJ Brown were more important to winning that championship.

2.  You made my point for me.  The best player in one non-championship season.  One other really good regular season.  Two or three great runs in the playoffs.  That would barely get a number retired in Minnesota, even putting aside how bad things ended for Rondo in Boston.

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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2016, 09:44:43 AM »

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What about him?

He's sabotaging somebody else's team now.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
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What about him?

He's sabotaging somebody else's team now.
Potentially to our benefit though. If he brings back Jae Crowder when he leaves the first time and frustrates Jimmy Butler into demanding a trade at his fourth team we might have to retire his number.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2016, 09:53:14 AM »

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What about him?

He's sabotaging somebody else's team now.
Potentially to our benefit though. If he brings back Jae Crowder when he leaves the first time and frustrates Jimmy Butler into demanding a trade at his fourth team we might have to retire his number.

LOL .....my exact thoughts

Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2016, 10:10:44 AM »

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What about Rondo? He's one of my favourite players but I don't believe he's getting his number retired. Pierce of course, Garnett yes because of the culture impact on the team. Rondo and Ray, nah I don't think they deserve it solely because they were part of a championship team

For any other team but Boston, Ray gets his number retired.  Rondo, not so much.  He arguably wasn't even the fourth most important player on a championship team and, outside of several magical moments, had just a largely good career in Boston that ended disasterously.

Mike

No. There is no rational argument where Rondo is not the 4th best player in 2008. Those magical "moments" were the length of entire playoff series and entire playoffs.

1.  I said "most important," not best.  There is a serious argument that Posey or PJ Brown were more important to winning that championship.

No. There isn't. The starting PG is the more important player than the backup energy wing or spot-minutes big. It's like arguing that Dave Roberts Alan Embree or Pokey Reese was more important to the Red Sox in '04 than Derek Lowe. It's absurd. Here's the flaw in the idea that Posey or Brown were more important than Rondo because without Posey or without Brown we don't win the title: How do you think we'd have done without Rondo? You think we beat the Hawks, and the Cavs, and the Pistons, and the Lakers...if Sam Cassell had been our starting PG, or Telfair if we had switched the decision to trade him and keep Rondo? No. Absolutely not. The importance of the bench veterans has been overpromoted in hindsight and the importance of Rondo has been criminally demoted.

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2.  You made my point for me.  The best player in one non-championship season.  One other really good regular season.  Two or three great runs in the playoffs.  That would barely get a number retired in Minnesota, even putting aside how bad things ended for Rondo in Boston.

I did not make your point. I made mine. Mine was better.

Four great runs in the playoffs.

One led to a championship. In the Finals he had good games in three out of four of the Celtics' wins. He was easily the fourth most important and the fourth best player on that very, very important and magical championship team.

The best player in at least two non-championship playoff runs, possibly a third with that one being as close to a title as one can get without winning.

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Why.

Why do you do this? Why are there other Mikes here who also do this? Are you the same person? Do you have split personalities? Is one of them Michael Felger? Do you end every post with "Mike" because you're afraid that people will confuse you with all the other Mikes, but you tragically fail to grasp that it only makes you even less distinguishable from them? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: So Brown wears #9 jersey. What about Rondo?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2016, 10:10:52 PM »

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Jaylen will be on the lineup verry quickly. He's just to good. Jae will be hell of a bench.

I think they will probably play a lot together. Jae at the 4.
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