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Durant may not have had it in him
« on: July 04, 2016, 10:35:17 PM »

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to lead a team to a championship.  He might not be that personality. Not knocking him or anything but there will be that question.  Russell didn't do it all himself either.  All these guys had players around them.  Maybe his comments 5 years ago were a facad in ways and him just whining a bt where West said something to him that clicked.

Maybe he was lying to himself.  Maybe fans are too that think that kind of stuff.

I love our style and play and think it's an advantage to be the underdog but you need talent too.

I think if any coach can pull it off it's STevens who took a team like Butler head to head with Duke but came up 2 points short.  It's a definate advantage to take a lesser talented team sometimes but you still need enough talent to win.

Durant could have done that here I feel.  I just dont think he had it in him at this point in time.

KG came here to win a championship. Ainge could have not stopped there. West took it a step further with the expanding cap.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2016, 10:41:57 PM »

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It's a double standard in ways to cheer KG who came here to win a championship or Russell though and pan Durant.   

No we didn't have 95 million in cap space then but even still.

West beat us to the punch this time.  We tried our best.  I have no doubt about that.

Free Agency is tough that way. 

So are trades.  So is the draft.  The lakers landed Shaq.  They traded for Kareem.  the drafted kobe.  GS drafted Curry and all these guys and landed Durant.  We've historically built through the draft and through trades.  Maybe a free agent will go our way though. Horford did.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2016, 10:49:28 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on July 04, 2016, 10:41:57 PM
It's a double standard in ways to cheer KG who came here to win a championship or Russell though and pan Durant.   

No we didn't have 95 million in cap space then but even still.

West beat us to the punch this time.  We tried our best.  I have no doubt about that.

Free Agency is tough that way. 

So are trades.  The lakers landed Shaq.  They traded for Kareem.  We've historically built through the draft and through trades.  Maybe a free agent will go our way though.

Paul Pierce whilst a Hall of Famer, was not the reigning two-time MVP. That is the difference. And KG was 31. And Boston hadn't won since 1986. If Durant had chosen Miami the reaction is greatly different.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2016, 10:50:02 PM »

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In order to win in the NBA it's incredibly tough. You have to win in a variety of ways.  Through smart drafting and style of play.  Through trades.  Through free agency etc.  You have to win big in at least one or two of those areas.  Any team that has won has done that. 

Even the pistons who did it with Chauncey, Rip, Prince, Rasheed, Wallace etc.  They made extremely winning lower level moves.

The got Wallace off the scrap heap from us. Chauncey off the scrap heap.  Rasheed even had huge questions but fit them and their bad boy image.

We could do that with Cousins but im not sure if that fits us.  Love sort of does.  So does Butler. I don't know.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2016, 10:51:50 PM »

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People make too much of players changing teams. That in itself says nothing of their character. Jealousy is what leads to so many people getting upset with this.

On the other hand, there are sometimes missteps by players that make it worse, like The Decision or Durant's comment a few years ago about LAL and MIA.

Players benefit from image. It helps them sell sneakers. Since they all try to get big sneaker contracts, I think it is fair game when the press and fans generate these narratives. Intellectually, I understand that Durant went to a good working situation, just as the rest of us often choose to do. But when fans discuss his greatness, people will remember this move for a while.

Thing is, if he wins a finals MVP and a few rings in GS, he will eventually just be remembered for his gaudy stats and his rings. Then again, both he and Curry have hurt their changes for league MVPs going forward since both of their scoring averages will drop. We all saw how that changed perceptions of Bosh and Love.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 10:51:58 PM »

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He's a tall skinny giant p***y.  If you are one of the three best players in the league, there shouldn't be a doubt or question about your testicular fortitude.  He had great players around him.  He did.  What else could a talent like that need?  Devoid of chemistry, maybe.  But with that, you don't go pandering and d**k riding the team that took your lunch money less than 4 weeks ago. 

Join any other team or wait a year and join GSW, but man...

P***y.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 10:53:26 PM »

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Durant going to GS is like if Russell went to the lakers to me though.  It's like there is an imbalance of power in the nba in the opposite direction.

West is trying to stick it to us after losing to us all those years. We can't let him do that.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2016, 10:54:11 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on July 04, 2016, 10:50:02 PM
In order to win in the NBA it's incredibly tough. You have to win in a variety of ways.  Through smart drafting and style of play.  Through trades.  Through free agency etc.  You have to win big in at least one or two of those areas.  Any team that has won has done that. 

Even the pistons who did it with Chauncey, Rip, Prince, Rasheed, Wallace etc.  They made extremely winning lower level moves.

The got Wallace off the scrap heap from us. Chauncey off the scrap heap.  Rasheed even had huge questions but fit them and their bad boy image.

We could do that with Cousins but im not sure if that fits us.  Love sort of does.  So does Butler. I don't know.
The problem with this approach is that people try it all the time and fail. Detroit got lucky, but we soon saw that Dumars was pretty bad at his job and probably just got really lucky.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 10:56:11 PM »

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Durant is not the guy we thought he was. He will forever be known as the guy who aspired to be Scottie Pippen, not Michael Jordan. I hope Golden State fails to the Spurs, probably the only team with a chance. This type of anti-competitive behavior is bad for the NBA.
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2016, 10:57:55 PM »

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West was 1-8 as a player mainly due to russell.  As a GM with the lakers and now GS he has completely flipped the script.  The lakers and us battled it out in the 80's and the lakers won more.  He then put together the lakers 3 peat with Kobe and Shaq after jordan was gone.  We have 1 championship since where GS is about to roll off 8 in a row if we aren't careful. 

 Stevens is the perfect coach for this team but we need enough talent to compete and overcome them. It's like Butler and Duke imo.  Except we need enough to win.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 11:00:49 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on July 04, 2016, 10:41:57 PM
It's a double standard in ways to cheer KG who came here to win a championship or Russell though and pan Durant.   

No we didn't have 95 million in cap space then but even still.

West beat us to the punch this time.  We tried our best.  I have no doubt about that.

Free Agency is tough that way. 

So are trades.  So is the draft.  The lakers landed Shaq.  They traded for Kareem.  the drafted kobe.  GS drafted Curry and all these guys and landed Durant.  We've historically built through the draft and through trades.  Maybe a free agent will go our way though. Horford did.

The Celtics were a 20 win team. GS was just in a 7 game finals, won the Larry the year before, and have the reigning MVP. Ray-Ray and KG were traded for (though KG had a no-trade clause).

The situations aren't even remotely the same.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2016, 11:02:54 PM »

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If Russell never came here the boston celtics dynasty never may have existed though.  Russell himself said he wouldnt play for certain teams then in an interview.  We were lucky that way.

West knows this. It was hard work on our part and all that but the lakers were just as whatever they were at that time.  Maybe took things a bit for granted.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2016, 11:03:17 PM »

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Durant is a great player. A leader isn't one of his strong suits tho. I've never seen him as the type to lead a team to a title. Less pressure on him in GS in crunch time.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2016, 11:07:14 PM »

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Kupchak is an overrated GM imo. Danny Ainge is not. He can get there but he has to wise up a bit. 

We are going to have to be very smart if we are going to compete with teams like that. Keep working our asses off.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2016, 11:07:21 PM »

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Quote from: CelticSooner on July 04, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
Durant is a great player. A leader isn't one of his strong suits tho. I've never seen him as the type to lead a team to a title. Less pressure on him in GS in crunch time.

KD not being a leader was never as obvious as it was in the Western Finals. He looked checked out. I don't care if people like to make the excuse that it's just his "demeanor." Westbrook was fired up and trying to will that team to the upset.

All that said, I still wish he signed with us. Passionate players like Smart and Crowder can offset his lack of leadership.
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