The Obvious: Gotta Go Big

[meangreenmachine]

OK...maybe it's not the end of the world. Maybe Golden State can somehow be beat. But I seriously doubt you can beat them on the perimeter. You have to beat them by being bigger and tougher than them. If, and this is a big if, our young guys develop, we just might be able to beat Golden State in 2 or 3 years. But we would definitely need to add a BIG man who is special: DeMarcus Cousins.

Maybe we can make a run at Golden State in 2 or 3 years if we trade Bradley, Crowder and multiple first-round picks for Cousins either this summer or at the trade deadline. I've got a feeling Boogie is going to soon demand a trade and perhaps Vlade will bite if we throw both Brooklyn picks their way. Losing Crowder would force Brown to get minutes his rookie campaign, but we need to know sooner or later whether he is the real deal. Yeah, we would probably take a step back from last year after losing Bradley and Crowder, but we need to get our young guys some minutes and it is imperative we add another big man who can bully small teams. A step back this year in order to take many steps forward next year? It might be necessary.

Come free agency next offseason, perhaps we add Hayward and a role player. If Yabasule, Mickey, Zizic, and Rozier develop into solid rotational players, Smart develops into an all-defensive replacement for Bradley, and Brown develops into a player worthy of his draft slot, we'll have great depth and potential all-stars in Cousins, Horford, Thomas, Hayward and Brown. It could just be enough...

[Kuberski33]

At the very least Wyc & co should push for an elimination of the corner 3 pt shot.  That would at least somewhat help restore the need for big men.

[celticinorlando]

Issue is Boston has a roster of very blue collar workers that aren't going to get them to the next level. Guys like Brown, Smart, Bradley, KO'L, Amir, Jerebko, Rozier are role player. Those are good for maintaining wining 50 games a year...but they need to go get legit stars to add to Horford and Thomas.

[Kuberski33]

Brown better not be a role player and the same with Smart.  A guy picked as high as those 2 should at least project to be a 7-10 year starter and hopefully an all star.

[__ramonezy__]

Issue is Boston has a roster of very blue collar workers that aren't going to get them to the next level. Guys like Brown, Smart, Bradley, KO'L, Amir, Jerebko, Rozier are role player. Those are good for maintaining wining 50 games a year...but they need to go get legit stars to add to Horford and Thomas.

To be fair to our young talent, even the stars we want to go out and get were once rookies. What we need is solid talent development... Smart could be Butler (who can't shoot either) Brown could be PG13 who took some years to develop behind Granger. Bradley is already All-NBA defender. I actually like the improvements our team made going into next season. I miss ET, but his, Sully's and Zeller's minutes will be used for young player development and we take a shot next season.

[celticinorlando]

Need at least 2 superstars to win...Boston has struggled drafting the past few years (Giddens, Young, Melo and it has caught up with them some..Smart needs to take the next step. Brown has to be more than a rotation guy.

I don't really think Young, Hunter or Rozier provide them more than role minutes. Hope I am wrong.

[chiken Green]

Gotta have some hope..  We have the best coaching staff in place to develop the youth.. Yes some of the guys from before didnt deveolop but the coaches they played for were not known for that..

CBS is the perfect man for the job.

[Celtic_Pride777]

Issue is Boston has a roster of very blue collar workers that aren't going to get them to the next level. Guys like Brown, Smart, Bradley, KO'L, Amir, Jerebko, Rozier are role player. Those are good for maintaining wining 50 games a year...but they need to go get legit stars to add to Horford and Thomas.

To be fair to our young talent, even the stars we want to go out and get were once rookies. What we need is solid talent development... Smart could be Butler (who can't shoot either) Brown could be PG13 who took some years to develop behind Granger. Bradley is already All-NBA defender. I actually like the improvements our team made going into next season. I miss ET, but his, Sully's and Zeller's minutes will be used for young player development and we take a shot next season.

Well said...

[Celtic_Pride777]

Gotta have some hope..  We have the best coaching staff in place to develop the youth.. Yes some of the guys from before didnt deveolop but the coaches they played for were not known for that..

CBS is the perfect man for the job.

In all fairness, I love Brad. But isn't this one of the knocks on him last season.... that he wasn't giving the rookies enough playing time or minutes?

[meangreenmachine]

Bear in mind: Vegas has us as the fourth most likely team to win the championship, behind GSW, Cleveland and San Antonio. If we can keep our core in tact while adding Boogie, we might become the key rivals to Golden State. They have little depth and no bigs who can compete with Boogie and Horford.

Any chance Vlade would accept JJ, Amir, Young and the following Herschel Walker-esque draft haul:

2017 Brooklyn 1st
2017 Celtics 2nd
2017 Cavs 2nd
2017 Clippers 2nd
2017 Kings 2nd
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2019 Grizzlies 1st
2019 Clippers 1st
2019 Celtics 1st

That is one starter in Johnson, one role player in Jerebko, one prospect in Young, four second-round picks and five first-round picks. In return, we get an All-NBA center who turns 26 next month. Pair him with Horford while maintaining our perimeter defense and depth, and I really do think we would have a chance to shock the world by beating Cleveland and Golden State:

1: Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
2: Bradley, Smart, Hunter
3: Crowder, Brown
4: Horford, Olynyk, Yabasule, Mickey
5: Cousins, Free Agent, Zizic

Yes, we would only have our own first round pick in 2018 with no picks in 2017 and 2019, but we already have prospects coming out the yazoo: Rozier, Hunter, Jackson, Brown, Yabasule, Smart, Zizic, Bentil. Those are the young guys we develop the next three years. Next offseason, we add a good shooter in Hayward, who pretty much solidifies the team with a bunch of starters in their mid and late 20s, lessening the need for future first-round picks.

I say do it. Cash in those assets for that dominant big man who only comes around once every 5-10 years.

[SHAQATTACK]

Cousins plus the right combination of the rest could push the needle forward .

I would love to see him with Smart and Crowder .....guys who play hard too .....and understand his frustration of not winning.

Boogie is a pitbull ....a giant one ........if CBS could rein him in and keep his temper under control.

[saltlover]

Gotta have some hope..  We have the best coaching staff in place to develop the youth.. Yes some of the guys from before didnt deveolop but the coaches they played for were not known for that..

CBS is the perfect man for the job.

In all fairness, I love Brad. But isn't this one of the knocks on him last season.... that he wasn't giving the rookies enough playing time or minutes?

Yes, but that was a short-sighted knock.  What matters is not how many minutes a rookie gets, but how ready he is to step up after his first year.  Smart in his second and Olynyk in his third season both were key contributors.  Rozier was ready to give productive minutes when injury stuck in the playoffs.  Development is not simply throwing kids on the court when they aren't ready for the minutes.  Development is getting the kids ready to take the minutes when needed, and/or step ahead of the older players ahead of them should their talent allow.

I think Rozier is going to step up in year 2.  I also think Brown will get a lot of good minutes.  That would be four players in a 10-man rotation still on their rookie deals, which is a fine amount of development for a team that we want to exceed 50 wins.

[Ogaju]

Bear in mind: Vegas has us as the fourth most likely team to win the championship, behind GSW, Cleveland and San Antonio. If we can keep our core in tact while adding Boogie, we might become the key rivals to Golden State. They have little depth and no bigs who can compete with Boogie and Horford.

Any chance Vlade would accept JJ, Amir, Young and the following Herschel Walker-esque draft haul:

2017 Brooklyn 1st
2017 Celtics 2nd
2017 Cavs 2nd
2017 Clippers 2nd
2017 Kings 2nd
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2018 Celtics 1st (if illegal to trade this pick, substitute for 2020 Celtics 1st)
2019 Grizzlies 1st
2019 Clippers 1st

That is one starter in Johnson, one role player in Jerebko, one prospect in Young, four second-round picks and five first-round picks. In return, we get an All-NBA center who turns 26 next month. Pair him with Horford while maintaining our perimeter defense and depth, and I really do think we would have a chance to shock the world by beating Cleveland and Golden State.

Yes, we miss out on the draft the next three years, but we already have prospects coming out the yazoo: Rozier, Hunter, Jackson, Brown, Yabasule, Smart, Zizic, Bentil. Those are the young guys we develop the next three years. Next offseason, we add a good shooter in Hayward, who pretty much solidifies the team with a bunch of starters in their mid and late 20s, lessening the need for future first-round picks.

I say do it. Cash in those assets for that dominant big man who only comes around once every 5-10 years.

Give Vlade everything but the Clipper pick. You gotta hold on to that Clipper pick as a good luck charm.

[Celtic_Pride777]

Bear in mind: Vegas has us as the fourth most likely team to win the championship, behind GSW, Cleveland and San Antonio. If we can keep our core in tact while adding Boogie, we might become the key rivals to Golden State. They have little depth and no bigs who can compete with Boogie and Horford.

Any chance Vlade would accept JJ, Amir, Young and the following Herschel Walker-esque draft haul:

2017 Brooklyn 1st
2017 Celtics 2nd
2017 Cavs 2nd
2017 Clippers 2nd
2017 Kings 2nd
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2018 Celtics 1st (if illegal to trade this pick, substitute for 2020 Celtics 1st)
2019 Grizzlies 1st
2019 Clippers 1st

That is one starter in Johnson, one role player in Jerebko, one prospect in Young, four second-round picks and five first-round picks. In return, we get an All-NBA center who turns 26 next month. Pair him with Horford while maintaining our perimeter defense and depth, and I really do think we would have a chance to shock the world by beating Cleveland and Golden State.

Yes, we miss out on the draft the next three years, but we already have prospects coming out the yazoo: Rozier, Hunter, Jackson, Brown, Yabasule, Smart, Zizic, Bentil. Those are the young guys we develop the next three years. Next offseason, we add a good shooter in Hayward, who pretty much solidifies the team with a bunch of starters in their mid and late 20s, lessening the need for future first-round picks.

I say do it. Cash in those assets for that dominant big man who only comes around once every 5-10 years.

Nice...I would definitely pull the trigger for a transformative player!

[i believe in brad]

Bear in mind: Vegas has us as the fourth most likely team to win the championship, behind GSW, Cleveland and San Antonio. If we can keep our core in tact while adding Boogie, we might become the key rivals to Golden State. They have little depth and no bigs who can compete with Boogie and Horford.

Any chance Vlade would accept JJ, Amir, Young and the following Herschel Walker-esque draft haul:

2017 Brooklyn 1st
2017 Celtics 2nd
2017 Cavs 2nd
2017 Clippers 2nd
2017 Kings 2nd
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2018 Celtics 1st
2019 Grizzlies 1st
2019 Clippers 1st

That is one starter in Johnson, one role player in Jerebko, one prospect in Young, four second-round picks and five first-round picks. In return, we get an All-NBA center who turns 26 next month. Pair him with Horford while maintaining our perimeter defense and depth, and I really do think we would have a chance to shock the world by beating Cleveland and Golden State.

Yes, we miss out on the draft the next three years, but we already have prospects coming out the yazoo: Rozier, Hunter, Jackson, Brown, Yabasule, Smart, Zizic, Bentil. Those are the young guys we develop the next three years. Next offseason, we had a good shooter in Hayward, who pretty much solidifies the team with a bunch of starters in their mid and late 20s, lessening the need for future first-round picks.

I say do it. Cash in those assets for that dominant big man who only comes around once every 5-10 years.

Can't have no 1st round picks in consecutive years - so we could trade 2017 Nets swap and 2018 Nets pick, but we'd need to keep our own 2018 pick.  Not that it changes the above scenario at all, because there's no chance the Kings ever make that trade.  They wouldn't care about the 2nds, you'd need to throw in Brown + one of Smart/Crowder/Avery I assume.

I'd be very surprised if Cousins goes in a trade at all this year.  I think we have a better shot at Westbrook if he gave Danny his word he'd sign here for the max after the season.  Also wouldn't need to give up nearly as much.