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Re: turner was more important than people think
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2016, 09:24:47 AM »

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Throw all the stats at it u want - we will miss Turner big time.  Ever since he came here he's been criticized.  Eric Turner meant a lot to this team.  No, I do not think we should have paid him $70M and that's a different topic.

The C's got worse yesterday.  I know FA is not over and something big may happen and we all may be happy today, tomorrow or Monday.  But yesterday, that 48 win team....just became a 40 win team.


Words can't express how much the team will miss Eric Turner.

Haha we miss him so much we forgot his name!

Re: turner was more important than people think
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2016, 09:24:56 AM »

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Turner is a good off bench player that got min as a starter

There was alot of efficiency

No doubt he did a solid job (all around stats) to help the team win

but when it came down to it (playoffs)  he couldn't break through walls. Some games it was difficult to watch

One of those players where you think what if he had a consistent 3 pt shot

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2016, 09:26:01 AM »

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Throw all the stats at it u want - we will miss Turner big time.  Ever since he came here he's been criticized.  Eric Turner meant a lot to this team.  No, I do not think we should have paid him $70M and that's a different topic.

The C's got worse yesterday.  I know FA is not over and something big may happen and we all may be happy today, tomorrow or Monday.  But yesterday, that 48 win team....just became a 40 win team.

Words can't express how much the team will miss Eric Turner.
Hahahaha!

Re: turner was more important than people think
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2016, 09:28:03 AM »

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Props to turner for never ever complaining when he had an argument for being our 2nd best player. I wish him well.

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2016, 09:32:14 AM »

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Turner was important. He was not $18m per year important.

Mike

Re: turner was more important than people think
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2016, 09:36:28 AM »

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Turner was important. He was not $18m per year important.

Mike

He might be if we sign NOBODY. I mean as each of these free agents sign elsewhere what are we saving our money for if we don't get Horford and/or Durant? Matt Barnes? Ezeli? Biyombo? There are not a lot of value free agents left.

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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2016, 09:38:54 AM »

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Right now, without Evan Turner, we lack anyone with a natural creative sense of ball movement>

Our only other guard who has the feel of a natural point guard is ?  Maybe the rookie 45th pick?
Days up and down they come, like rain on a conga drum, forget most, remember some, don't turn none away.   Townes Van Zandt

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2016, 09:54:04 AM »

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I agree the loss of Turner is going to hurt not only is he a play maker he could always create his own shot and was very good from 10' and in. We have nobody to replace him and a rookie is not going to work and I know the Smart lovers will scream he will replace him but there has been no evidence of that so far.

Right now we are a worse team than last year and most free agents are already off the market, not looking good.

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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2016, 10:05:32 AM »

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I might sound silly, but I trusted ET with the ball in crunch time more than I did IT. They're both prone to turning the ball over, but at least ET had the size and skill set to get buckets.

Also, Scal has mentioned over and over again that ET often played better on the second night of back to backs. When the players get tired, and the offense gets stagnant, you can trust him to get you some points. He is also likely a great locker room guy that gets the team going when they're down.

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2016, 10:06:01 AM »

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I think with Turner you have to look at his production across the course of the season, rather than focus on the occasional great play or even great quarter. Every once in a while, he was pretty great, and that can fool the eye into thinking he was more than he really was.

Over the long haul, he wasn't a particularly efficient player. His main value was in providing the flexibilty to play Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley in different ways. It's time for Smart, Hunter or someone else to step up now, and they should be able to.

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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2016, 02:57:10 PM »

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Throw all the stats at it u want - we will miss Turner big time.  Ever since he came here he's been criticized.  Eric Turner meant a lot to this team.  No, I do not think we should have paid him $70M and that's a different topic.

The C's got worse yesterday.  I know FA is not over and something big may happen and we all may be happy today, tomorrow or Monday.  But yesterday, that 48 win team....just became a 40 win team.

Eric Turner?  LOL.  At least get the guy's name right!  Evan Turner!!

Turner will be missed but there's no way you pay 70m for a rotation player, when you are trying to lock down two max contract star free agents. 

Thanks for your contributions ET, you earned your payday, and good luck over there in Portland.  Hopefully our teams paths never meet in the playoffs, because then we'd have to crush you!  Go Celtics!

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2016, 04:14:49 PM »

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I usually agree with Rollie, but that has reached its ceiling. Eric Turner is the basketball equivalent to duct tape. It's a miracle product, but it's not a real fix.

I was thinking maybe we'd resign him for the maximum years around $10 million/year, Gerald Wallace or close to Bradley money.

We signed Crowder for $7 million/year last year. I don't blame Turner for not waiting for the Celtics and a possible hometown discount. He just got the worst contract in the league. It is really not any less outrageous than the Mozgov deal.

I doubt Evan or is it Eric would have taken anything less than $15 million considering the Portland offer. How high could Danny go? Evan Turner is the typical good not great player we have had in abundance. If you pay him that money, it's setting too high a bar for when other good but not great players need a new contract.

Evan was very good the second half of the year and clutch in the playoffs. I don't think he's as severe a false positive as Mark Blount was, but there's no reason to believe that there is any ceiling left for him to reach. He developed into a solid ball hog, and it's true technically his various roles will need to be replaced or transformed, but Evan Turner is not that great.

He has left on good terms. He is busy praising Boston. It's yet another happy ending to a Danny Ainge GM story where Boston looks good even when a player leaves.

Turner is a heads or tails player. He is not transcendent in any way. He will win or lose you some games. Maybe he will win you a bit more games than lose them. If a player could be defined in terms of win-loss projection for a team, say everyone is around the caliber of that player, give or take away some praise, then imho, Evan Turner translates into 45-50 wins and a treadmill in the best case scenario.

It's time to move on. Evan or Eric Turner is not the poor man's LeBron at small point forward.

Evan Turner is not needed for small forward. Brown also seems capable of filling in at the tall SG position to go with his duties as Crowder's backup at SF.

The only thing that the Celtics need to worry about with losing Turner is his point guard skills. Isaiah handles most of the game and I assume Rozier and Smart (and perhaps Jackson) can take care of the other ten to fifteen minutes.

In short, Evan Turner is an overrated luxury piece. He'd be perfect at $5 million per year, but obviously that did not happen. A lot of teams are ruining their futures in real time during this free agency. I'm glad it's not the Boston Celtics.

If Danny is going to open up the megabucks account, at least it will be for proven stars such as Horford and Durant. If Danny starts overpaying players such as Turner or Sully, then I might wonder whether he is still fit for the GM position. But he hasn't and it looks like he won't.

I like Danny's strategy of going for home runs over resigning treadmill players.

If we get the pricey free agents, then we are immediately going for the title and will have a four year window. Then after that, the younger players and future draft picks should be ready and still on cheap contracts.

Other teams will shoot their loads this year and next and then be experiencing extreme franchise pain in the future. If we don't get Horford, then obviously Amir and maybe even Zeller will come back.

We can't lose either way. If fireworks take place, we immediately become championship contenders. If Danny doesn't hit a tater or two in free agency, he can fudge out band-aids for the center position. Eventually Zizac will be on the team. Maybe not this year. I see us winning 50+ games no matter what. Sometimes the best moves are no moves. Resigning Eric Turner at big money was not an option.

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2016, 04:16:57 PM »

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I loved having Turner around and thought he was our 4th best player last season. This being said, can't justify paying him $18 million a season. I hope he fares well in Portland.
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2016, 04:19:34 PM »

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We can't lose either way. If fireworks take place, we immediately become championship contenders. If Danny doesn't hit a tater or two in free agency, he can fudge out band-aids for the center position. Eventually Zizac will be on the team. Maybe not this year. I see us winning 50+ games no matter what. Sometimes the best moves are no moves. Resigning Eric Turner at big money was not an option.


Getting zero free agents and losing Turner you see us winning 50+ games when other teams have improved significantly? Are you serious? I mean Brad is good but he can't play.


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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2016, 04:22:11 PM »

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Agreed. Jaylen Brown (as a rookie) will be a big downgrade.

Need to find a way to improve the big man rotation to compensate.

Turner played point-forward for our second unit.  We simply transition to a more traditional ball-handler in either Smart or Rozier.

Brown is a Crowder back-up right now, not a Turner replacement.

This is the right answer.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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