Confirmed FA signings thread

[CelticSooner]

Doc never fails lol

[slightly biased bias fan]

The Clippers and Brandon Bass agreed on a one-year deal. (Doc continues having a sweet tooth for ex- C's)

It's actually nothing to do with Celtics specifically IMO but more to do with players familiar with his schemes, plays ect. the hardest part of integrating a new player would have to be getting familiar with Doc's regime so it makes sense. 

[Who]

Clippers doing a nice job improving their bench. Bass, Speights, Felton. All good additions. Still have Crawford, Rivers and Pierce. Good bench.

Needs more defense though. Especially on the wing.

[Surferdad]

Clippers doing a nice job improving their bench. Bass, Speights, Felton. All good additions. Still have Crawford, Rivers and Pierce. Good bench.

Needs more defense though. Especially on the wing.

Yeah, so why would Doc trade Griffin?  They are in win-now mode and one of their key rivals just fell out of the top-4 (Thunder).  Then add that the spurs will not be better w/o Duncan.  If I was Doc I too would be loading up for a run, not trading away a star.

[kozlodoev]

Clippers doing a nice job improving their bench. Bass, Speights, Felton. All good additions. Still have Crawford, Rivers and Pierce. Good bench.

Needs more defense though. Especially on the wing.

Yeah, so why would Doc trade Griffin?  They are in win-now mode and one of their key rivals just fell out of the top-4 (Thunder).  Then add that the spurs will not be better w/o Duncan.  If I was Doc I too would be loading up for a run, not trading away a star.

The conventional wisdom behind this is that they think they won't be able to resign him. Also, they didn't seem to miss him much when he was sidelined last season.

[greece66]

Clippers doing a nice job improving their bench. Bass, Speights, Felton. All good additions. Still have Crawford, Rivers and Pierce. Good bench.

Needs more defense though. Especially on the wing.

Yeah, so why would Doc trade Griffin?  They are in win-now mode and one of their key rivals just fell out of the top-4 (Thunder).  Then add that the spurs will not be better w/o Duncan.  If I was Doc I too would be loading up for a run, not trading away a star.

The conventional wisdom behind this is that they think they won't be able to resign him. Also, they didn't seem to miss him much when he was sidelined last season.

IMO the trio Paul, Griffin and Jordan does not work well together esp. if you insist on half court offence like Doc does.

[greece66]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

[TheSundanceKid]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

I'm guessing OKC are waiting to see what happens with Westbrook. It can't drag out much longer before teams finalise moves to begin the season. I'm guessing it's about keeping cap flexibility

[Surferdad]

Clippers doing a nice job improving their bench. Bass, Speights, Felton. All good additions. Still have Crawford, Rivers and Pierce. Good bench.

Needs more defense though. Especially on the wing.

Yeah, so why would Doc trade Griffin?  They are in win-now mode and one of their key rivals just fell out of the top-4 (Thunder).  Then add that the spurs will not be better w/o Duncan.  If I was Doc I too would be loading up for a run, not trading away a star.

The conventional wisdom behind this is that they think they won't be able to resign him. Also, they didn't seem to miss him much when he was sidelined last season.

The conventional wisdom also says he is damaged goods, so they should not have trouble resigning him.  As far as whether he actually improves the team, it is debatable, but one thing for sure: When he applies himself he can be the best player on the floor (see 2014-2015 playoffs IIRC).

[saltlover]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

I'm guessing OKC are waiting to see what happens with Westbrook. It can't drag out much longer before teams finalise moves to begin the season. I'm guessing it's about keeping cap flexibility

A lot of RFA's have to wait.  It's nothing to do with Westbrook.  It's daring another team to make an offer for Waiters only to lose him, which might not happen.  Eventually Waiters will either sign for a reduced amount with OKC long-term, or play for the qualifying offer ~$6.8 mil, which is a bargain compared to what's been offered.

Right now the two sides are engaged in a staring contest.  Same thing is true for Moe Harkless, and to a lesser extent Tyler Zeller.

[TheSundanceKid]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

I'm guessing OKC are waiting to see what happens with Westbrook. It can't drag out much longer before teams finalise moves to begin the season. I'm guessing it's about keeping cap flexibility

A lot of RFA's have to wait.  It's nothing to do with Westbrook.  It's daring another team to make an offer for Waiters only to lose him, which might not happen.  Eventually Waiters will either sign for a reduced amount with OKC long-term, or play for the qualifying offer ~$6.8 mil, which is a bargain compared to what's been offered.

Right now the two sides are engaged in a staring contest.  Same thing is true for Moe Harkless, and to a lesser extent Tyler Zeller.

Yeah you're right. I do think it's slightly more than that with Waiters though. If Westbrook is to be traded it's likely going to include an extension of some sorts which means the team he moves to needs the appropriate cap space. I think it's $8.8m for the upcoming season? If you traded him for equal salary then there is a very small pool of teams in play. However if they use their cap space to take on additional salary then there are more teams that can come into play. So I think that factors into the Waiters decision as well.

[saltlover]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

I'm guessing OKC are waiting to see what happens with Westbrook. It can't drag out much longer before teams finalise moves to begin the season. I'm guessing it's about keeping cap flexibility

A lot of RFA's have to wait.  It's nothing to do with Westbrook.  It's daring another team to make an offer for Waiters only to lose him, which might not happen.  Eventually Waiters will either sign for a reduced amount with OKC long-term, or play for the qualifying offer ~$6.8 mil, which is a bargain compared to what's been offered.

Right now the two sides are engaged in a staring contest.  Same thing is true for Moe Harkless, and to a lesser extent Tyler Zeller.

Yeah you're right. I do think it's slightly more than that with Waiters though. If Westbrook is to be traded it's likely going to include an extension of some sorts which means the team he moves to needs the appropriate cap space. I think it's $8.8m for the upcoming season? If you traded him for equal salary then there is a very small pool of teams in play. However if they use their cap space to take on additional salary then there are more teams that can come into play. So I think that factors into the Waiters decision as well.

I think you've very much overthought this.  If Waiters is moved in a sign-and-trade also involving Westbrook (I think that's what you were suggesting), Waiters' salary will count only half to the Thunder for what they're allowed to take back, and will count fully to the team taking him on.  This will make it more difficult for a team to match salaries and wind up $8.8 million under the cap so as to extend Westbrook.

Waiters' negotiations has virtually nothing to do with Westbrook.  The only way it matters is if Westbrook either demands that Waiters be a teammate, or that he no longer be one.  Anything else is Waiters trying to get the most he can, and the Thunder trying to pay the least they can, and the staring contest that ensues.

[TheSundanceKid]

Literally nothing new today.

Waiters must be getting nervous 

I'm guessing OKC are waiting to see what happens with Westbrook. It can't drag out much longer before teams finalise moves to begin the season. I'm guessing it's about keeping cap flexibility

A lot of RFA's have to wait.  It's nothing to do with Westbrook.  It's daring another team to make an offer for Waiters only to lose him, which might not happen.  Eventually Waiters will either sign for a reduced amount with OKC long-term, or play for the qualifying offer ~$6.8 mil, which is a bargain compared to what's been offered.

Right now the two sides are engaged in a staring contest.  Same thing is true for Moe Harkless, and to a lesser extent Tyler Zeller.

Yeah you're right. I do think it's slightly more than that with Waiters though. If Westbrook is to be traded it's likely going to include an extension of some sorts which means the team he moves to needs the appropriate cap space. I think it's $8.8m for the upcoming season? If you traded him for equal salary then there is a very small pool of teams in play. However if they use their cap space to take on additional salary then there are more teams that can come into play. So I think that factors into the Waiters decision as well.

I think you've very much overthought this.  If Waiters is moved in a sign-and-trade also involving Westbrook (I think that's what you were suggesting), Waiters' salary will count only half to the Thunder for what they're allowed to take back, and will count fully to the team taking him on.  This will make it more difficult for a team to match salaries and wind up $8.8 million under the cap so as to extend Westbrook.

Waiters' negotiations has virtually nothing to do with Westbrook.  The only way it matters is if Westbrook either demands that Waiters be a teammate, or that he no longer be one.  Anything else is Waiters trying to get the most he can, and the Thunder trying to pay the least they can, and the staring contest that ensues.

No I just meant that signing Waiters to any deal today that costs more than his cap hold impacts the amount of cap space they have and therefore how much incoming salary they can take on. That's the connection I'm making to Westbrook, OKC might be wanting the cap flexibility to open up more trade options for Westbrook

[greece66]

The Bucks and Miles Plumlee have reportedly agreed to a four-year, $52 million deal.

Other

Free agent Cameron Bairstow has reportedly signed with the Brisbane Bullets in Australia.

The Thunder will reportedly sign 2013 draft pick Alex Abrines (Barcelona) this summer; Abrines (22 yo) was the winner of the Euroleague Rising Star Award for 2016.

[BitterJim]

The Bucks and Miles Plumlee have reportedly agreed to a four-year, $52 million deal.

Other

Free agent Cameron Bairstow has reportedly signed with the Brisbane Bullets in Australia.

The Thunder will reportedly sign 2013 draft pick Alex Abrines (Barcelona) this summer; Abrines (22 yo) was the winner of the Euroleague Rising Star Award for 2016.

$13 million a year for Miles Plumlee? Wow, he played less than 15mpg for them last year, and it's not like he spaces the floor, either.  That's a real head-scratcher (unless they get rid of Monroe)