When will Danny become the Celtics GM, instead of its internet Darling?

[positivitize]

I think we should just judge the pick before the kid's had a chance to put on a jersey for us. Everyone go get your pitchfork.

[walker834]

That's the thing is the bulls were trying to unload butler on us so they can be in our position.  Same with Philly. They wanted us to take on bad contracts. Chicago wanted all our players.  Phily wanted us to take on bad deals as well.

We are much better off than those teams. I can tell you that right now.  Our record speaks to that.

Chicago hasn't won since Michael Jordan.  Philly hasn't won since Dr. J.

[kozlodoev]

When did the Big Three era end? It started in 2008, and ended around the year of 2012; so only realistically 4 years removed from contending. From that year we bottomed out, and year by year have been getting significantly better. 25 wins - 40 wins - 48 wins. Aside from Miami, none of the championship teams were built in one day, and neither is this team. There has been incredible progress, matched by none of the current rebuilding teams.

No, the big three era started in '07.  We won the championship in '08.  We would've won another one had Danny not trade away Perkins for bag of chips.

How long as Danny being the Celtic's GM?

You're a funny fellow.

[LarBrd33]

He didn't need to get a deal done.  We're playing with house money.   We're in the midst of a rebuild and had back-to-back trips to the playoffs.  We got this pick because he conned some team into insanely overpaying for two geriatrics with a foot in retirement.  We already have Isaiah Thomas thanks to that trade.   This #3 pick is just a bonus at this point.  Then we have two more picks.  It's ridiculous.

He's a great GM.  Wouldn't want anyone else running this team.  The rumored asking price for Jimmy butler would have been #3 + #16 + #23 + Avery Bradley + Jae Crowder + Marcus Smart... all for an overrated premium brand Ricky Davis.  No thanks.

[kozlodoev]

He didn't need to get a deal done. We're playing with house money.  We're in the midst of a rebuild and had back-to-back trips to the playoffs.  We got this pick because he conned some team into insanely overpaying for two geriatrics with a foot in retirement.  We already have Isaiah Thomas thanks to that trade.   This #3 pick is just a bonus at this point.  Then we have two more picks.  It's ridiculous.

People keep saying that as if it is true. It's not house money. The moment the Pierce and Garnett trade occurred, it became your money. If you make a lousy pick, it's your squandered resources.

I think Ainge has done at least an above average job here, but all that "house money" talk doesn't make any sense.

[Snakehead]

I'm not even that mad about the draft anymore. 

You started this off with a gem.

[i believe in brad]

I'm not even that mad about the draft anymore.  It's the fact that he didn't get any deal done (imagine that, we were the only team who had the chance to splurge but no...not Danny).  Then all these people who are still caught up on banner 17 that happened 10 years ago.  You have the right to your opinion as much as I do mine but c'mon...year after year, we are dealt this hand by a guy who built his entire reputation among the GMs on how much he can screw them.  Sooner or later, even the dumbest GM in the league would start questioning your integrity, even when the deal is advantageous to him.  He'd rather lose to another GM than do a deal with you. 

It's been 10 years, people.  When are we going to start looking at him for results instead of the usual "oh, it's Danny.  He knows what to do.  He knows better than everybody else?"  When are you going to put him in a hot-seat and demand better?  When should he start feeling the apprehension that his job may be on the line if he does not deliver?  When would enough be enough?

"Give the kid a chance?"  LOL!  "Give the kid a chance?" 

Tell me, should that be a sentence out of a GM who had a #3 draft pick?

Fab Melo, JJJ, Young, Perkins,...when?

I didn't have an agenda when I first made this in another thread, but after making it I'm inclined to defend Danny's drafting.  There's a lot of red but most of it is in the 2nd round or very late first round.  Mid first rounders he's batting way over .500 which I think is acceptable.  You wanted the results, here are his results (I think most would agree with my color grading, I tried to be conservative):

2003: Perk (27), Brandon Hunter (56)

2004: Big Al (15), Delonte (24), Tony Allen (25), Justin Reed (40)

2005: Gerald Green (18), Ryan Gomes (50), Orien Greene (53)

2006: (7) traded for Telfair, Rondo (21)

2007: (5) traded for Rayray, Gabe Pruitt (32)

2008: J.R. Giddens (30), Semih Erden (60)

2009: Lester Hudson (58)

2010: AB (19), Luke Harangody (52)

2011: JJJ (27), Etwaun Moore (55)

2012: Sully (21), Fab Melo (22), Kris Joseph (51)

2013: Olynyk (13)

2014: Marcus Smart (6), James Young (17)


What do people think, acceptable?

And the complaints about his trading are absurd so I won't even address that.

[greenrunsdeep41]

He didn't need to get a deal done.  We're playing with house money.   We're in the midst of a rebuild and had back-to-back trips to the playoffs.  We got this pick because he conned some team into insanely overpaying for two geriatrics with a foot in retirement.  We already have Isaiah Thomas thanks to that trade.   This #3 pick is just a bonus at this point.  Then we have two more picks.  It's ridiculous.

He's a great GM.  Wouldn't want anyone else running this team.  The rumored asking price for Jimmy butler would have been #3 + #16 + #23 + Avery Bradley + Jae Crowder + Marcus Smart... all for an overrated premium brand Ricky Davis.  No thanks.

Lar, I have to say, at one point I wasn't your biggest fan. But, then you go and say something like this and Completely redeem yourself!!!

[knuckleballer]

I'm not even that mad about the draft anymore.  It's the fact that he didn't get any deal done (imagine that, we were the only team who had the chance to splurge but no...not Danny).  Then all these people who are still caught up on banner 17 that happened 10 years ago.  You have the right to your opinion as much as I do mine but c'mon...year after year, we are dealt this hand by a guy who built his entire reputation among the GMs on how much he can screw them.  Sooner or later, even the dumbest GM in the league would start questioning your integrity, even when the deal is advantageous to him.  He'd rather lose to another GM than do a deal with you. 

It's been 10 years, people.  When are we going to start looking at him for results instead of the usual "oh, it's Danny.  He knows what to do.  He knows better than everybody else?"  When are you going to put him in a hot-seat and demand better?  When should he start feeling the apprehension that his job may be on the line if he does not deliver?  When would enough be enough?

"Give the kid a chance?"  LOL!  "Give the kid a chance?" 

Tell me, should that be a sentence out of a GM who had a #3 draft pick?

Fab Melo, JJJ, Young, Perkins,...when?

I didn't have an agenda when I first made this in another thread, but after making it I'm inclined to defend Danny's drafting.  There's a lot of red but most of it is in the 2nd round or very late first round.  Mid first rounders he's batting way over .500 which I think is acceptable.  You wanted the results, here are his results (I think most would agree with my color grading, I tried to be conservative):

2003: Perk (27), Brandon Hunter (56)

2004: Big Al (15), Delonte (24), Tony Allen (25), Justin Reed (40)

2005: Gerald Green (18), Ryan Gomes (50), Orien Greene (53)

2006: (7) traded for Telfair, Rondo (21)

2007: (5) traded for Rayray, Gabe Pruitt (32)

2008: J.R. Giddens (30), Semih Erden (60)

2009: Lester Hudson (58)

2010: AB (19), Luke Harangody (52)

2011: JJJ (27), Etwaun Moore (55)

2012: Sully (21), Fab Melo (22), Kris Joseph (51)

2013: Olynyk (13)

2014: Marcus Smart (6), James Young (17)


What do people think, acceptable?

And the complaints about his trading are absurd so I won't even address that.

I'd change Gomes to green as he was a useful player.  I'd also add Leon Powe and Glen Davis who were drafted for Ainge.

[GreenFaith1819]

I hope Danny stays the course.

We all know he tried, but I'm thankful he didn't mortgage our future by giving too much.

If we're patient for just a bit longer, we'll all see the fruits of Danny's work...I truly believe that.

I'm thankful - at this point - for the deals that DIDN'T happen rather than the ones that DID. In this environment I'm believing that some opposing GMs are asking too much simply based off of our transaction with BKN rather than simply looking at deals that can help BOTH teams.

But anyways Danny Ainge maneuvered BOS towards a championship with shrewd moves back in 2007. I read somewhere that he had his eyes on acquiring KG several years before it actually happened.

I believe him.

Just because things didn't happen like we all thought doesn't mean this thing is over. I'm excited about Jaylen "Rip their heads off" Brown and the other draftees and I wish them ALL well in Green.

[LarBrd33]

He didn't need to get a deal done. We're playing with house money.  We're in the midst of a rebuild and had back-to-back trips to the playoffs.  We got this pick because he conned some team into insanely overpaying for two geriatrics with a foot in retirement.  We already have Isaiah Thomas thanks to that trade.   This #3 pick is just a bonus at this point.  Then we have two more picks.  It's ridiculous.

People keep saying that as if it is true. It's not house money. The moment the Pierce and Garnett trade occurred, it became your money. If you make a lousy pick, it's your squandered resources.

I think Ainge has done at least an above average job here, but all that "house money" talk doesn't make any sense.

Ok...

He got like 20x the value of those guys.   Every asset he received is still part of the roster.  The only one we're close to wasting is James Young.  Frankly, Ainge could have traded KG and Pierce for a mid 1st and it would have made sense at that point.   I would have been like "Wow... can't believe someone gave us a mid 1st for those guys... they are basically cooked".  I would have maybe wanted a little more, but I would have understood it.   Then, you could sit here bellyaching that we whiffed it on the pick (James Young), but Young is still only 20 years old and the roster is too stacked for him to even get developmental minutes yet.

But then consider that on top of that, we got Isiah Thomas - an all-star.   That's success as-is.  The value for those two geriatrics was a mid 1st... we got that + Isiah Thomas.  That's a win.

But that's not all - he also got this #3 pick.  And people are already acting like it's a bust when the dude is 19 years old and hasn't played a Summerleague game.  That's absurd.  So far, it's a win.

Then we have the Brooklyn swap next year which might still net a decent pick.

Then another 1st rounder from Brooklyn the year after that.   

It's crazy.   The assumption that we need to do something greater with this found money is warped.  We have a young team.  We are on a reasonable path.  We aren't trading any of these assets for steph curry or LeBron James.  This generation doesn't belong to us.  So we just have to build for the future and hope these guys develop into something substantial.   

Also, there's still a pretty reasonable chance we make a significant move in free agency.  So writing off Danny when he's half way through one of the biggest trade heists in history doesn't make any logical sense. 

So far, we're absolutely dominating the Brooklyn trade.  Five years from now we'll have an even greater perspective.

[Clench123]

This is just sad at this point, seeing all the response.  I guess i got my answer to the title of the thread.  I really hope i'm wrong.

[max215]

Which GM put us in a situation where we're in the playoffs, but also have a top-3 pick?  Along with a pick that should be in the lottery next year, as well?

Which GM landed us an All-Star PG on a super cheap contract?

Which GM drafted Avery Bradley, who made the All-Defense team and is signed to a bargain deal?

Which GM traded for an undervalued Jae Crowder, and signed him to a great deal?

I don't get the angst.  Would trading for Thad Young have moved the needle for us?  Should Danny have just kept desperately shoveling more and more assets at Chicago until they traded us Jimmy Butler?

Other fan bases, his peers, and pundits regard Danny as one of the best in the business.  I'm surprised how many Celtics fans disagree.

T. P.

[RockinRyA]

Which GM put us in a situation where we're in the playoffs, but also have a top-3 pick?  Along with a pick that should be in the lottery next year, as well?

Which GM landed us an All-Star PG on a super cheap contract?

Which GM drafted Avery Bradley, who made the All-Defense team and is signed to a bargain deal?

Which GM traded for an undervalued Jae Crowder, and signed him to a great deal?

I don't get the angst.  Would trading for Thad Young have moved the needle for us?  Should Danny have just kept desperately shoveling more and more assets at Chicago until they traded us Jimmy Butler?

Other fan bases, his peers, and pundits regard Danny as one of the best in the business.  I'm surprised how many Celtics fans disagree.

These fans fant a GM who would trade future picks and the barn for an off chance at winning now. That's right, they want the same kind of GM that created the mess BKN is now.

[Clench123]

Which GM put us in a situation where we're in the playoffs, but also have a top-3 pick?  Along with a pick that should be in the lottery next year, as well?

Which GM landed us an All-Star PG on a super cheap contract?

Which GM drafted Avery Bradley, who made the All-Defense team and is signed to a bargain deal?

Which GM traded for an undervalued Jae Crowder, and signed him to a great deal?

I don't get the angst.  Would trading for Thad Young have moved the needle for us?  Should Danny have just kept desperately shoveling more and more assets at Chicago until they traded us Jimmy Butler?

Other fan bases, his peers, and pundits regard Danny as one of the best in the business.  I'm surprised how many Celtics fans disagree.

These fans fant a GM who would trade future picks and the barn for an off chance at winning now. That's right, they want the same kind of GM that created the mess BKN is now.

What has the Celtics won recently or not recently?  What is the probability of winning anything in the near future or not so near?  The joke's on you...