Jaylen Brown - franchise player?

[bknova]

Where I lose Ainge, "he made all the picks"?

It goes without saying that it takes two to tango. I can assure you that Ainge had no intention making all those picks. Hence drafting two draft and stash and candidates. Why is this such a difficult concept to understand? This board is amazing.

[Surferdad]

I see Kedrick Brown. I see failure. Did we load up for Kevin Durant? He really must want to come here now. The Knicks are a more attractive team now than the Celtics for KD.

Why would you select a SF, when you already have a SF better than him and then pursue the second best SF in the world.  The selection of Brown clearly indicates to me that Boston doesn't expect to do anything in free agency and is going to go full on rebuilding.  Only thing that makes sense.  If Boston thought it was a real player in free agency it would have made the trade with Philly and picked up Noel who is at a real position of need and that no matter who you sign in free agency would have minutes on the roster.

I don't think one year of Noel is worth the #3 pick.

It isn't one year of Noel, he is a restricted free agent.  He can't leave unless you don't want him to leave.  The trade also included Covington who will be better than Brown at a minimum next year and two late 1sts, which as the draft bore out would have yielded some lottery level talent foreign players for stashing purposes.

If the Celtics really really wanted Noel, they can just offer him a contract then. Covington is a nobody who gets minutes on a historically bad team. Two late firsts? How many more picks did they need last night? I think Philly was more desperate to make a deal with Boston than Boston was with Philly.

and then Philly matches it and Boston doesn't have Noel.

Phili is not matching any high offers on Noel when they still have Okafor and Embiid, who will be up for new contracts soon enough too. Phili will move one of Okafor or Noel soon enough before they hit free agency. I bet we can still trade for Noel right now if we want to with some of our cache of picks and prospects.

Yup, and the price will continue to drop as the trade deadline approaches.

[hwangjini_1]

i dont think brown will be THE franchise player for celtics. i think the nets pick next year will give us the franchise player we want.

brown, however, may become one of the most valuable players we have.

[Chief]

I'm not sure but I hope so.

[jpotter33]

I see Kedrick Brown. I see failure. Did we load up for Kevin Durant? He really must want to come here now. The Knicks are a more attractive team now than the Celtics for KD.

Why would you select a SF, when you already have a SF better than him and then pursue the second best SF in the world.  The selection of Brown clearly indicates to me that Boston doesn't expect to do anything in free agency and is going to go full on rebuilding.  Only thing that makes sense.  If Boston thought it was a real player in free agency it would have made the trade with Philly and picked up Noel who is at a real position of need and that no matter who you sign in free agency would have minutes on the roster.

Yeah, this is what the scary thing is. Danny keeps saying "we still have free agency," but who is legitimately going to come here now? You can pretty much count out Durant and Horford, because we didn't upgrade the roster enough for them. Whiteside? Are we prepared to pay him big money? Barnes? Batum? I just don't see it. This was another swing and a miss by Danny.

[Tr1boy]

Where I lose Ainge, "he made all the picks"?

It goes without saying that it takes two to tango. I can assure you that Ainge had no intention making all those picks. Hence drafting two draft and stash and candidates. Why is this such a difficult concept to understand? This board is amazing.

They wanted these draft and stash candidates to be taken in the 2nd round

Just trick yourself and say we drafted bentil and jackson with our 16,23 then

[bknova]

That had to be the worst pick at 3! If I knew we were going to waste all 3 first round picks on crappy players I would of traded all the picks then for noel or whoever else we tried to get. Noone we drafted will be on the team long term. Smh, huge disappointment!

Sir, you are not a professional scout. No one is paying for your opinion. You and a lot of people on this board need to get over themselves.

Danny, Brad, and their staffs decided this guy has a chance to be the best player out of this draft, and thats all we can ask for. That's it.

How about waiting till summer league before casting a stone. The kid's got insane skills and insane smarts.  Just get over yourself and let the player prove his worth to you.

[jpotter33]

I see Kedrick Brown. I see failure. Did we load up for Kevin Durant? He really must want to come here now. The Knicks are a more attractive team now than the Celtics for KD.

Why would you select a SF, when you already have a SF better than him and then pursue the second best SF in the world.  The selection of Brown clearly indicates to me that Boston doesn't expect to do anything in free agency and is going to go full on rebuilding.  Only thing that makes sense.  If Boston thought it was a real player in free agency it would have made the trade with Philly and picked up Noel who is at a real position of need and that no matter who you sign in free agency would have minutes on the roster.

I don't think one year of Noel is worth the #3 pick.

It isn't one year of Noel, he is a restricted free agent.  He can't leave unless you don't want him to leave.  The trade also included Covington who will be better than Brown at a minimum next year and two late 1sts, which as the draft bore out would have yielded some lottery level talent foreign players for stashing purposes.

If the Celtics really really wanted Noel, they can just offer him a contract then. Covington is a nobody who gets minutes on a historically bad team. Two late firsts? How many more picks did they need last night? I think Philly was more desperate to make a deal with Boston than Boston was with Philly.

and then Philly matches it and Boston doesn't have Noel.

Phili is not matching any high offers on Noel when they still have Okafor and Embiid, who will be up for new contracts soon enough too. Phili will move one of Okafor or Noel soon enough before they hit free agency. I bet we can still trade for Noel right now if we want to with some of our cache of picks and prospects.

Yup, and the price will continue to drop as the trade deadline approaches.

Who knows how Embiid is going to do? He could very well get injured again and be out of the league, at which point they'd absolutely want to keep Noel.

I'm hoping this was an eye-opener for them and they trade him on the cheap for us now after not getting anything in free agency. If we can still get him on the cheap later this summer or something (say a future non-Brooklyn pick and Rozier) then I'll be fine with the Brown pick, even though I also don't really see franchise-guy on him.

[Moranis]

I see Kedrick Brown. I see failure. Did we load up for Kevin Durant? He really must want to come here now. The Knicks are a more attractive team now than the Celtics for KD.

Why would you select a SF, when you already have a SF better than him and then pursue the second best SF in the world.  The selection of Brown clearly indicates to me that Boston doesn't expect to do anything in free agency and is going to go full on rebuilding.  Only thing that makes sense.  If Boston thought it was a real player in free agency it would have made the trade with Philly and picked up Noel who is at a real position of need and that no matter who you sign in free agency would have minutes on the roster.

I don't think one year of Noel is worth the #3 pick.

It isn't one year of Noel, he is a restricted free agent.  He can't leave unless you don't want him to leave.  The trade also included Covington who will be better than Brown at a minimum next year and two late 1sts, which as the draft bore out would have yielded some lottery level talent foreign players for stashing purposes.

If the Celtics really really wanted Noel, they can just offer him a contract then. Covington is a nobody who gets minutes on a historically bad team. Two late firsts? How many more picks did they need last night? I think Philly was more desperate to make a deal with Boston than Boston was with Philly.

and then Philly matches it and Boston doesn't have Noel.

Phili is not matching any high offers on Noel when they still have Okafor and Embiid, who will be up for new contracts soon enough too. Phili will move one of Okafor or Noel soon enough before they hit free agency. I bet we can still trade for Noel right now if we want to with some of our cache of picks and prospects.

Yup, and the price will continue to drop as the trade deadline approaches.

Who knows how Embiid is going to do? He could very well get injured again and be out of the league, at which point they'd absolutely want to keep Noel.

I'm hoping this was an eye-opener for them and they trade him on the cheap for us now after not getting anything in free agency.

Or maybe Embiid actually solves their problem by being able to play with both Noel and Okafor and they thus have a nice 3 man big man rotation (you can get by with Noel and Okafor against 2nd units in the middle of a game a lot better than if they start together).

[PhoSita]

I see Kedrick Brown. I see failure. Did we load up for Kevin Durant? He really must want to come here now. The Knicks are a more attractive team now than the Celtics for KD.

Why would you select a SF, when you already have a SF better than him and then pursue the second best SF in the world.  The selection of Brown clearly indicates to me that Boston doesn't expect to do anything in free agency and is going to go full on rebuilding.  Only thing that makes sense.  If Boston thought it was a real player in free agency it would have made the trade with Philly and picked up Noel who is at a real position of need and that no matter who you sign in free agency would have minutes on the roster.

Yeah, this is what the scary thing is. Danny keeps saying "we still have free agency," but who is legitimately going to come here now? You can pretty much count out Durant and Horford, because we didn't upgrade the roster enough for them. Whiteside? Are we prepared to pay him big money? Barnes? Batum? I just don't see it. This was another swing and a miss by Danny.

I don't think this signals a rebuild, it just signals another year or more of giving most of the minutes to stop-gap guys and bringing younger guys along slowly off the bench, while we rumble toward a first round exit.

But hey, the Celts are still "flexible," and that pile of assets is still, you know, decent, I guess.  Still two more Brooklyn picks coming.  And there's the LAC and Memphis picks!  Woo picks!  So value.  Much trades.

[LilRip]

And this is the trait the you want from franchise players.

The holy trinity of finding a franchise player:

- Work Ethic
- Intelligence
- Will to win

I rarely see guys fail with those traits, especially guys with above average athleticism and skills.

Well...all of that *and* a positive impact on a basketball court. You also look for franchise players to have had that, as well.

Also, if he had those things his incredible athleticism would probably have translated to blocks or steals while he was at Cal, and that didn't happen. Elite athletes who know how to play basketball express their athleticism by dominating lesser competition in those two areas. That's why "advanced stats" hated his play this year. Because he either doesn't have the basketball IQ to apply his skills or he just didn't care enough to use it.

This is what scares me. Players with low basketball IQ can't win. No matter how talented or how much heart they have, they will find a way to lose when it counts. I hope Brown has as much basketball IQ as he thinks he does.

[Kane3387]

Great quote


Jimmy Butler was on the Bill Simmons podcast last week and was asked to name a young kid or draftee he likes and immediately named Jaylen Brown. Said he worked out with him and the kid was tough as hell and reminded Jimmy of himself at that age.


"I like Jaylen Brown. He's tough. He's strong. I played against him one-on-one in summer. Tell you the truth, he literally reminds me of myself. When I was going up against him...that's crazy, he can move his feet, he's athletic."

[Fafnir]

Or maybe Embiid actually solves their problem by being able to play with both Noel and Okafor and they thus have a nice 3 man big man rotation (you can get by with Noel and Okafor against 2nd units in the middle of a game a lot better than if they start together).

They just drafted Ben Simmons though....

[Atzar]

My stance on this pick is that it's defensible.  Not the pick I would have expected, but I think I see the reasoning.  He has arguably the highest upside available at the position - Bender and maybe Chriss have comparable upside, but also lower floors IMO. 

His physical tools are very good, and by most accounts his mental tools are as well.  He's raw, but that's a profile that I don't mind taking a chance on.  I do disagree with the Tyreke Evans comp mentioned by the draft coverage, though.  Evans is a guy with a good handle who is capable of running an offense but has a hopelessly broken shot.  Brown just has a decent handle and doesn't share that ability to create for others, but his tools are better - slightly bigger, a better athlete, and I think the shooting form is something you can work with.

Gonna have to be patient though.  This board will likely be pretty ugly for his first year or so, because they're going to expect this kid to be an instant star and he's not that.

[Boris Badenov]

It's really too early to tell.  I think in the absolute best case he's similar to Jimmy Butler or Andre Iguodala.

But he might end up closer to Jeff Green / Harrison Barnes, or maybe Tyreke Evans.

Probably not ever a "franchise" guy, but maybe a top 3 contributor for a good team.

Sounds about right. Maybe even higher on the high end.

I posted Pierce's shooting numbers the other day as a freshman. His percentages were almost identical to Brown's as a freshman. We don't know whether he will get there, but we have at least one data point and it's the first one I looked for. I mean if he ends up a 35-40% shooter from 3, with those physical tools he'll be a heckuva player.

Seems like his upside is the highest along with maybe Bender's and Chriss's. So Danny took the upside risk and decided to live with the downside risk, vs. a safer pick like Dunn.

Let's keep working at this rationalization. I'm almost through the denial and anger stages and expect that by tomorrow I'll be excited, and if he lights up summer league (which means nothing) I'll be convinced of his greatness.