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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2016, 12:39:47 AM »

Offline sawick48

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I'm curious whether we'll try to replace Sully with some combination of Bentil, Yabusele and Mickey. Are any of these guys ready for say 20 mpg playing hustle ball?

DJax maybe increases chance that Turner is gone- Rozier gets more minutes as a ball handler and DJax goes to Maine?

I think this may be the biggest blessing in disguise about the way things unfolded tonight: we almost surely won't be the teams shelling out the money it's going to take in order to keep Sullinger and Turner this offseason.  Both guys are probably looking at AAV in the 13-16M/yr range, and even with the rising cap, that's just way too much to spend on 2 guys that are essentially league average.  Combine that with the fact that we actually can replace those minutes to get these young guys some run right away and that's an addition by subtraction move I'm totally in for.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2016, 12:42:01 AM »

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Umm, none of them can shoot?

Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.

The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

This is what's kinda bothering me, too. If the Cs had been terrible the last couple of years, sure, take some draft-and-stash guys, take some players who might make an impact 3 or 4 years from now.

But his team has made the playoffs two years in a row. Won 48 games this season. They need someone who's going to move the needle next season.

Meanwhile, Indy's making faces at us as they pass us by.
1. The off season just started. They can still add pieces to get better in FA. They won 48 games last year. Even minor improvements will make them better.

2. They did try to do something impactful. It just didn't work out. Does trading half your team for Jimmy Butler make sense? Or does trading the 3 pick for a possible one year rental?

Point taken. But it seemed to me like the draft was the best opportunity of the offseason for acquiring an impact player, what with the No. 3 pick and all the other picks. Add in all the usual hype—which I tried to not fall for this time, but I guess I failed—and it's just another letdown. With the exception of acquiring IT, every draft, FA period, and trade deadline of the last two+ years has been a case of "wait til the next draft/FA period/trade deadline." And so we just keep waiting.

I feel like other GMs have figured out Ainge and now he won't be able to parlay the "treasure trove" of assets into impact players, so eventually all these assets will lose value (some of them already have, seemingly). Add in the rising cap, and just about every team will have tons of money, making Boston's first-cap-space-in-20-years asset less valuable as well.

Oh well. I'm just venting.

It's only been two years I say be patient.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2016, 12:42:51 AM »

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I love Sully...he is an Ohio State guy...but it is time to move on from him. I wish Turner would re up for a home team discount

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2016, 12:48:54 AM »

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Here's my half full. Brown was way overused at Cal (30% usage as a freshman). We are going to groom him as a rich man's Tony Allen / Jae Crowder. If he reaches that level, it was a decent pick. He's longer and more athletic than both of them. Elite level 3-and-D seems within reach, and if develops the offense beyond that, then great. Maybe he just wasn't ready to be a #1 option on offense at age 19.

As for the rest... two stashes who at least project as rotation guys. They are grown men compared to a Deyonta Davis at this point.

Let's hope that 73/100 thing means Brown can go out and shoot 35% 3PT in the NBA, dunk everything in sight/ on the break, and play All-NBA defense. If so, I'm happy.

Wait, what? Half of this board gets made because they say number six pick Smart is ultimately just going to be a better version of Tony Allen, but you're telling me the number three pick will be a success if he is a rich man's Tony Allen/Jae Crowder?

Maybe it's just me, but I expect much more from the number three pick. Noel by himself is going to be (if not already) better than a rich man's Tony Allen.
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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2016, 12:50:08 AM »

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Yabusele looks really, really solid.
He can defend switches, attack closeouts and hit the 3, and has the strength of a gorilla and NBA length and agility.
He is our version of Draymond Green.
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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2016, 12:53:04 AM »

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Well if Jaylen Brown is hated as much as Porzingis, he should become a superstar.  LOL.

Don't forget that Ainge "stole" for us IT and Crowder who are both starter level players, and IT an all-star.  The problem is that we need a couple more star players to have a chance in the playoffs.

Cleveland had Lebron-Irving-Love.  Golden State had Curry-Klay-Green.

If Jaylen Brown becomes our 2nd star.  Who is the 3rd star to bring balance to the force? ;)

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2016, 12:56:49 AM »

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1) Extreme physicality-guys that seek out contact.
2) play hard on both ends (two way players)
3) high character /discipline/strong work ethic

Anyone else pretty happy overall with these picks?

I enjoyed the optimism of the post; it's much easier to be disappointed than satisfied after a draft. And given how high the expectations were among C's fans, they are among the most disappointed fans in the League tonight.

I like what I have read about our three first rounders so far, and I'm also happy that Danny finally trusted European players.

Having said this, it is far too early to reach conclusions. We've had Smart for two years and the jury is still out.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:32 AM »

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Umm, none of them can shoot?

Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.

The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

This is what's kinda bothering me, too. If the Cs had been terrible the last couple of years, sure, take some draft-and-stash guys, take some players who might make an impact 3 or 4 years from now.

But his team has made the playoffs two years in a row. Won 48 games this season. They need someone who's going to move the needle next season.

Meanwhile, Indy's making faces at us as they pass us by.
1. The off season just started. They can still add pieces to get better in FA. They won 48 games last year. Even minor improvements will make them better.

2. They did try to do something impactful. It just didn't work out. Does trading half your team for Jimmy Butler make sense? Or does trading the 3 pick for a possible one year rental?

Point taken. But it seemed to me like the draft was the best opportunity of the offseason for acquiring an impact player, what with the No. 3 pick and all the other picks. Add in all the usual hype—which I tried to not fall for this time, but I guess I failed—and it's just another letdown. With the exception of acquiring IT, every draft, FA period, and trade deadline of the last two+ years has been a case of "wait til the next draft/FA period/trade deadline." And so we just keep waiting.

I feel like other GMs have figured out Ainge and now he won't be able to parlay the "treasure trove" of assets into impact players, so eventually all these assets will lose value (some of them already have, seemingly). Add in the rising cap, and just about every team will have tons of money, making Boston's first-cap-space-in-20-years asset less valuable as well.

Oh well. I'm just venting.

It's only been two years I say be patient.

It's actually been three years of the Brad Stevens/rebuilding era. There has been consistent improvement, but I think this team is just about at its ceiling—might be able to improve to 50-52 wins this season, but I think that's its max (along with a playoff max of second-round loser). If any of tonight's picks move the needle at all, it won't be next season.
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