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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2016, 11:36:40 PM »

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Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2016, 11:37:08 PM »

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They will all be either backups or not in the NBA next year. They have that in common

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2016, 11:40:54 PM »

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Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.
The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2016, 11:43:47 PM »

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I'll wait and see. But I'm one of the few people that are optimistic here. Watch people sing praises on these rookies once they tear it up on Summer League.

And get 30 seconds a game in the regular season!!! Wooo hoo!

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2016, 11:46:18 PM »

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Anyone else pretty happy overall with these picks?

I'm not upset.  The sky IS NOT falling.  We all need to have some patience.  Let's  find out what the team sees in these kids and whether they can deliver.

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2016, 11:46:57 PM »

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Umm, none of them can shoot?

Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.

The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

This is what's kinda bothering me, too. If the Cs had been terrible the last couple of years, sure, take some draft-and-stash guys, take some players who might make an impact 3 or 4 years from now.

But his team has made the playoffs two years in a row. Won 48 games this season. They need someone who's going to move the needle next season.

Meanwhile, Indy's making faces at us as they pass us by.
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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2016, 11:48:49 PM »

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1) Extreme physicality-guys that seek out contact.
2) play hard on both ends (two way players)
3) high character /discipline/strong work ethic

Anyone else pretty happy overall with these picks?

I'm very happy with the draft.  Like just about everyone else, I wish we had taken Davis, but to come out of the draft with four guys who can potentially play and a future #1 is a pretty good outcome.


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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2016, 11:48:54 PM »

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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2016, 11:49:54 PM »

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1) Extreme physicality-guys that seek out contact.
2) play hard on both ends (two way players)
3) high character /discipline/strong work ethic

Anyone else pretty happy overall with these picks?

I'm very happy with the draft.  Like just about everyone else, I wish we had taken Davis, but to come out of the draft with four guys who can potentially play and a future #1 is a pretty good outcome.

Who is the fourth??

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2016, 11:50:20 PM »

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They are all marginal journeymen
No

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Brown and zizic will help asap

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2016, 11:51:12 PM »

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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2016, 11:52:51 PM »

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What is the obsession with character? Does it win you games? Nope. Talent wins you games.
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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2016, 11:52:56 PM »

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Umm, none of them can shoot?

Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.

The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

This is what's kinda bothering me, too. If the Cs had been terrible the last couple of years, sure, take some draft-and-stash guys, take some players who might make an impact 3 or 4 years from now.

But his team has made the playoffs two years in a row. Won 48 games this season. They need someone who's going to move the needle next season.

Meanwhile, Indy's making faces at us as they pass us by.
1. The off season just started. They can still add pieces to get better in FA. They won 48 games last year. Even minor improvements will make them better.

2. They did try to do something impactful. It just didn't work out. Does trading half your team for Jimmy Butler make sense? Or does trading the 3 pick for a possible one year rental?

Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2016, 11:53:00 PM »

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Getting these three guys was not the job to be done tonight. The job didn't get done.

See to me this is an unfair argument, albeit the one that I feel the majority of this board has.  What exactly was the job?  If the reports out there are that Butler would have costed no more than Bradley and #3, then yes, totally agree, Ainge screwed the pooch once again.  But if it came down to Butler, or keeping a pick that belongs to the Nets, a team that just traded away 1 of its 2 pro quality players for a late 1st, in next year's draft which is already said to be one of the best in years, I'm not sure what more Ainge could have done.

I was advocating prior to tonight that he should have gotten creative and taken swings for the fences if the superstars weren't there.  If we couldn't get Butler/George/etc then try to land young vets that are unknown commodities (i.e. Exum and Lyles).  But instead we used the pick to do exactly the same.  Take an unknown commodity with a ridiculously high ceiling, and at a position of need no less. 

If you want to complain about #16 I'm on board.  Not a guy I had even heard of prior to tonight, nevermind scouted.  Zizic I think is a steal for us, and clearly Fraschilla agrees.  A legit 7 footer, a legit inside game, and only 19 that can be stashed for a few years; not to mention someone who was universally regarded as a 1st round pick tonight. 

Otherwise Ainge flipped 2 2nds for a pick that can be as high as 15 in a couple years.  A trade anyone in the league would do.  And we'll see what happens with the rest.  Was it the dream night we had all hoped for?  Clearly not.  But I truly think Ainge did the best with an awful situation.  And this is from someone who is a Ainge-hater on draft night.  I think the guy has religiously screwed the pooch when it comes to using picks.  Tonight though, I'm at least understandable and amenable to seeing how it works out for us.
The job was to get something "impactful" as Brad Stevens has said. And it means impactful this year. Not three years from now. That didn't happen. Baring something unforeseen in all likelihood Jaylen doesn't make the all rookie first or 2nd team because backups don't usually make those teams. Maybe the 2nd team. Maybe he could have the 10th best rookie year. Maybe.

You want the world.
What deals were available that we turned down?
Re: Jaylen Brown, you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like an uninformed Knicks fan screaming about Porzingis last year.
We just acquired a guy who can defend 4 positions and will arguably be one of the top 10 athletes in the NBA.
He hit 76/100 3 pt attempts at his second workout and has the approval of both Stevens and Ainge after exhaustive scouting for the past 12 months.
Give the guy a chance before killing yourself.

These end of the world draft threads happen every year. Calm down, use some patience. We got one of the greatest physical specimens in the draft who is 19 years old, and he's about to be molded by one of the greatest basketball minds on the planet.

Sprinkle some faith in with a large serving of patience for ****.
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Re: What do our first three 2016 draft picks have in common?
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2016, 11:54:33 PM »

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Who is the fourth??

Demetrius Jackson.

You see him making this team? Who goes?