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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2016, 06:17:30 PM »

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Not to mention there a good chance their is a big man later in the draft.


Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2016, 06:21:40 PM »

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Draft BPA not for need.  No need to reach at #3.

Foolish and lazy planning is this mind set.  If you have a prospect that fills the need you draft him otherwise you're in our position where you have potentially with Dunn....4 [dang] point guards on the roster!  How are guys gonna get minutes?  How are guys gonna develop?  Should a #6 pg aka Marcus smart ride the pine because. #3 unproven college player has been chosen?  Or do we play small ball all year and get killed inside?

We got a guard last year when we clearly needed a wing, with a decent wing available...rhj.  We can argue who woulda had the bigger long term impact, but as it stands we'll never know.

And I don't think Dunn is BPA.  I think hield or Murray are at that spot, and they provide us depth and scoring at sg.  Something we need.  Go figure  :-X

You'd have a more convincing argument if we drafted at #16 again, like last year, but at #3, you have to go BPA.

We had Jae Crowder and Evan Turner as our wings - they were both singificantly better players last season then RHJ was. 

On the other hand during the season Bradley missed some time due to injury, and we needed Smart.  Then Smart missed time and we needed Bradley.  Then in the playoffs Bradley missed time again, and Smart and Rozier were critical to us even having a fighting chance.

I don't think we would have been better off AT ALL if we took RHJ instead or a guard to be perfectly honest.

I agree we need depth at the SG spot, but Dunn is entirely capable of playing the SG spot as well.  I'm high in Hield, but Dunn has a much higher ceiling IMHO. 

Murray isn't even in the discussion - he's not worthy of shining Dunn's shoes, as we will see once he steps on an NBA court.  Hes a fantastic college player, but he'll be an NBA bust.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2016, 06:22:04 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen? 

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2016, 06:26:54 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it - perhaps you are just selective about what you hear / read / remember?

For starters, Danny Ainge seems to agree.  Every report I've read states that the Sixers want to deal Okafor, but the Celtics aren't interested and want Noel. 

There are also a number of links popping up ever time I google "Boston Celtics" of people saying things like "don't settle for Okafor - you're better off keeping the pick".

There is a reason why Philly have been trying to push to get a top 5 pick for Okafor and nobody is biting - because nobody thinks he's worth a top 5 pick.  That means nobody thinks he is the BPA at #3, #4 or #5. 

Why? 

Because (as I've been saying forever) he's a one dimensional big man who has personality question marks and zero talents outside of post scoring - a skill that is not nearly as valuable to the NBA as it once was.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2016, 06:31:58 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it
I don't think so.

Okafor is widely seen as a better prospect.  I get that there might be teams with a need for a PG like Dunn, but everything I've read acknowledges that Okafor would be drafted ahead of the guys available 3-8.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2016, 06:37:10 PM »

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What the Celts "really need" is a guy with a snowballs chance of ever becoming a top 10-15 player.
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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2016, 06:38:24 PM »

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What the Celts "really need" is a guy with a snowballs chance of ever becoming a top 10-15 player.

And the guy with the best chance of that is probably Dunn
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2016, 06:45:57 PM »

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I think Ainge will draft and keep Dunn at #3. Many say he's as good as any player in draft. Would be Celtics best PG.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2016, 06:46:02 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.

But if you can get him as a free throw-in on a Nerlens Noel deal I'll take it.

You mean the other way around with Nerlens as a throw-in.  Okafor is the better player.

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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2016, 06:46:57 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it
I don't think so.

Okafor is widely seen as a better prospect.  I get that there might be teams with a need for a PG like Dunn, but everything I've read acknowledges that Okafor would be drafted ahead of the guys available 3-8.
Okafor is by far the best prospect. If we do not get him then Ainge needs to resign because Okafor is much better and has more realistic upside(on both ends) than people care to realize.


Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2016, 06:47:30 PM »

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What the Celts "really need" is a guy with a snowballs chance of ever becoming a top 10-15 player.

And the guy with the best chance of that is probably Dunn

Yeah, probably Dunn or Brown.

I like Bender but I'm not surprised Danny is not interested given his lack of above average strength or explosiveness.
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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2016, 06:48:19 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.

But if you can get him as a free throw-in on a Nerlens Noel deal I'll take it.

You mean the other way around with Nerlens as a throw-in. Okafor is the better player.
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Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2016, 06:49:47 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.

So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it
I don't think so.

Okafor is widely seen as a better prospect.  I get that there might be teams with a need for a PG like Dunn, but everything I've read acknowledges that Okafor would be drafted ahead of the guys available 3-8.

Okafor was drafted #3, and was widely seen as neck and neck with Townes for best rookie until Philly started playing him next to Noel.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2016, 06:55:22 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.

So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it
I don't think so.

Okafor is widely seen as a better prospect.  I get that there might be teams with a need for a PG like Dunn, but everything I've read acknowledges that Okafor would be drafted ahead of the guys available 3-8.

Okafor was drafted #3, and was widely seen as neck and neck with Townes for best rookie until Philly started playing him next to Noel.

More like this.

Re: Why more guards, when we really need a Center?
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2016, 06:56:19 PM »

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When you're a 48 win playoff team picking #3 overall you go BPA all day, every day.
So, Okafor.

He's definitely not the BPA.
This is the first time I've seen someone say this.  Did something happen?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a LOT of people say it
I don't think so.

Okafor is widely seen as a better prospect.  I get that there might be teams with a need for a PG like Dunn, but everything I've read acknowledges that Okafor would be drafted ahead of the guys available 3-8.

I have no recollection of any respectable source (or any source at all really) who has stated that beyond maybe your hair dresser (or key cutter, or bread baker, or whoever it was) that you reportedly get your college ball scouting reports from.