Stein- Philly ramping up efforts for #3

[Surferdad]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

[kozlodoev]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just traded for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

[Dino Pitino]

I can't get excited about a quartet where Bradley is by far the best shooter among the 4. Need Steph at PG to make the spacing work.

Also, realize that since they would only have to outscore the other team to win the game, that'd mean they need only average in the low 90's as a team. Even if the fifth ingredient is merely an above average shooter and primary option, I think they could win a lot of games 92-82, etc. 50-59 wins. If the fifth piece of the puzzle is a world class shooter and go-to closer, now we're talking 60+ wins, championship contention.

[Casperian]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Ooh, they traded for Robin Lopez? I thought they just took whatever they could get for their damaged goods.

[Chief Macho]

why don't the just give us both of okafor and noel if they want Dunn so bad?   they still got simmons and embiid.    or start talking about embiid.  there is no point to do this thing one for one.  we might as well keep the younger player with more years.

[kozlodoev]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Ooh, they traded for Robin Lopez? I thought they just took whatever they could get for their damaged goods.

They added a veteran starting center that is under contract until 2019 while moving a redundant piece that didn't fit anymore. I am sure this was just a diversionary move, a prelude to unloading their best player for draft picks and other "future considerations".

[rondohondo]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Huh ? They probably won't trade Butler, and I can almost guarantee he won't be happy on that roster..

[kozlodoev]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Huh ? They probably won't trade Butler, and I can almost guarantee he won't be happy on that roster..

I don't know. Maybe they should buy him a pony.

My point is that Chicago is not breaking it up -- they are addressing needs and adding pieces that fit (better) around Butler.

[celts55]

Just listening to the radio; Pelicans, T-wolves, and Sixers are all heavy on #3.

I would try to pry Dieng and #5 away from Minny. Get a big and still draft Jaylen.

Tell Philly to screw.

I would be thrilled if this trade went down. Throw in Young, Hunter, or a second rounder if they want.

[jpotter33]

I really am not a fan of Noel.  I don't see potential for him on offense at all.  It'd be grabbing the "rim protector" that won't actually make this team much better.

it better be with another first rounder and saric coming back cause noel is hot garbage and doesn't do crap for the celtics.

Noel is actually a younger and better version of DeAndre Jordan. Not much for offense but with space and pace, he's the perfect 5 and most importantly DEFENSIVE anchor in our system.

Better than DeAndre Jordan? 

Compare their stats by age and he's clearly a better all-around player than DJ, and I love DJ.

I don't see Noel suddenly making the leap to being a 14 rpg player, but that's just me.

It's not as crazy as you think. Look at their stats compared side-by-side: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=.

This is the first year DJ got actual big minutes, so I used that year instead of the exact same age when he only played 16 minutes. So DJ is actually a year older in this comparison than Noel.

Per-36: Total Rebounds - DJ at 10.1, NN at 9.9. Defensive Rebounds - DJ at 6.5, NN at 7.1. Offensive Rebounds - DJ at 3.6, NN at 2.8.

Total Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 16.5, NN at 15.0.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 20.9, NN at 22.2.

Offensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 11.9, NN at 8.2.

So, overall, they're very similar rebounders in their overall ability. DJ is a better offensive rebounder; whereas, Noel is a better defensive rebounder. How much of the offensive rebounding is due to scheme is still questionable, too, because remember that Noel was sharing the court with Okafor a lot of times, so he was more out on the perimeter to allow space for Okafor to work offensively down low, which would undoubtedly skew the numbers a bit.

I didn't say there weren't statistically similar at one point. I said I don't see Noel making the same leap -- he's not as long or as strong as Jordan, and has a leg injury history.

Either way, we don't really need 14 boards a game out of him. If he can give us 10 a game alongside 13-15 points from lobs/junk around the basket while also being versatile enough to guard the perimeter and get steals, then he's more than worth it for us.

[Chief Macho]

Jonathan Givony
‏@DraftExpress

Market for Nerlens Noel seems to be far overstated by some. More likely he fetches a late lottery pick in a trade as opposed to top-5 pick.

[Casperian]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Ooh, they traded for Robin Lopez? I thought they just took whatever they could get for their damaged goods.

They added a veteran starting center that is under contract until 2019 while moving a redundant piece that didn't fit anymore. I am sure this was just a diversionary move, a prelude to unloading their best player for draft picks and other "future considerations".

No, I think that's an ill-fated attempt to "please" Jimmy Butler. There's no chance that'll work.

[kozlodoev]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Yeah, probably not.  Is Noel/Covington/Bradley > Lopez/Calderon/J.Grant?  Maybe a little, but Butler is >>> Rose.

Chicago just trained for Robin Lopez. Butler isn't going anywhere.

Ooh, they traded for Robin Lopez? I thought they just took whatever they could get for their damaged goods.

They added a veteran starting center that is under contract until 2019 while moving a redundant piece that didn't fit anymore. I am sure this was just a diversionary move, a prelude to unloading their best player for draft picks and other "future considerations".

No, I think that's an ill-fated attempt to "please" Jimmy Butler. There's no chance that'll work.

This is irrelevant. They are not trading you Jimmy Butler right now.

[alldaboston]

Jonathan Givony
‏@DraftExpress

Market for Nerlens Noel seems to be far overstated by some. More likely he fetches a late lottery pick in a trade as opposed to top-5 pick.

I like that! Don't trade 3 for Noel Danny!

[LarBrd33]

Jonathan Givony
‏@DraftExpress

Market for Nerlens Noel seems to be far overstated by some. More likely he fetches a late lottery pick in a trade as opposed to top-5 pick.

love the posturing from both teams