Stein- Philly ramping up efforts for #3

[Dino Pitino]

Tired of hearing  Noel has no offense outside of 8-10 feet....neither did Bill Russell...not saying Noel is Bill Russell, but he gives the C's what they need

Noel is not devoid of touch. His hands are good. His hand-eye coordination is good. His IQ is good. Just a bit discombobulated in his mechanics, and not a large enough or practiced enough repertoire, not yet anyway. His flaws and gaps look like they can be overcome and filled in with training, though, and he seems like a good dude, smart kid, coachable.

Bring him home! Free him from Philly!

[Csfan1984]

Wonder if Philly ultimately goes Noel and Embid for 3 and 23.

[BlackCeltic]

Just listening to the radio; Pelicans, T-wolves, and Sixers are all heavy on #3.

I would try to pry Dieng and #5 away from Minny. Get a big and still draft Jaylen.

Tell Philly to screw.

[alldaboston]

Noel? Is the best we can do with the pick? I'd rather just take Dunn.

[hpantazo]

Noel would finally give us a legit, top tier defensive big man we desperately need. He's also the right age for this team. Why is everyone on here so down on him ? Noel with Bradley, Smart and Crowder would be amazing. Add Horford and IT to that mix and we are a top team in the east, and still have more Nets picks to use

[Rondo9]

Plus, it opens the door for Danny to pursue his beloved Love again. Noel would cover up Love's defensive ills at the rim.

I can definitely see this happening.

I thought about Love as well...but now I don't see CLE trading him...I see a way for Horford to sign here in Boston.

22h22 hours ago
Mike & Mike ‏@MikeAndMike
"Without him, we wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. Kevin Love is going to be here. We want him here"
- Tyronn Lue

Eh... I still think the Cavs will trade Love.

[moiso]

Noel? Is the best we can do with the pick? I'd rather just take Dunn.

Me too.  He'll end up the better player.

[hpantazo]

Plus, it opens the door for Danny to pursue his beloved Love again. Noel would cover up Love's defensive ills at the rim.

I can definitely see this happening.

I thought about Love as well...but now I don't see CLE trading him...I see a way for Horford to sign here in Boston.

22h22 hours ago
Mike & Mike ‏@MikeAndMike
"Without him, we wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. Kevin Love is going to be here. We want him here"
- Tyronn Lue

Eh... I still think the Cavs will trade Love.

Yes. #1, Lue is barely even the head coach , never mind the GM. #2, they wouldn't help themselves at all by declaring a fire sale on Love and killing their leverage.

[Fafnir]

Noel? Is the best we can do with the pick? I'd rather just take Dunn.

Me too.  He'll end up the better player.

I think the haggling is for more than Noel/Okafor. Philly makes that deal already straight up.

Ainge wants future draft picks back in all odds. Lakers pick or one of the 76ers own.

[kozlodoev]

Wonder if Philly ultimately goes Noel and Embid for 3 and 23.

Um. No. If they do that it would probably be because Embiid is not passing a physical.

[Fafnir]

Yes. #1, Lue is barely even the head coach , never mind the GM. #2, they wouldn't help themselves at all by declaring a fire sale on Love and killing their leverage.

I think they'll look at trading Love, but a lot depends on what LeBron indicates he wants out of their offseason.

[heyvik]

Plus, it opens the door for Danny to pursue his beloved Love again. Noel would cover up Love's defensive ills at the rim.

I can definitely see this happening.

I thought about Love as well...but now I don't see CLE trading him...I see a way for Horford to sign here in Boston.

22h22 hours ago
Mike & Mike ‏@MikeAndMike
"Without him, we wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. Kevin Love is going to be here. We want him here"
- Tyronn Lue

Eh... I still think the Cavs will trade Love.

I kinda think that they will try and run it back with the same team minus Mosgov

[Csfan1984]

Just listening to the radio; Pelicans, T-wolves, and Sixers are all heavy on #3.

I would try to pry Dieng and #5 away from Minny. Get a big and still draft Jaylen.

Tell Philly to screw.

Out of those teams Pelicans are always aggressive. They will offer what ever it takes to pair AD with a stud player.

[jpotter33]

I really am not a fan of Noel.  I don't see potential for him on offense at all.  It'd be grabbing the "rim protector" that won't actually make this team much better.

it better be with another first rounder and saric coming back cause noel is hot garbage and doesn't do crap for the celtics.

Noel is actually a younger and better version of DeAndre Jordan. Not much for offense but with space and pace, he's the perfect 5 and most importantly DEFENSIVE anchor in our system.

Better than DeAndre Jordan? 

Compare their stats by age and he's clearly a better all-around player than DJ, and I love DJ.

I don't see Noel suddenly making the leap to being a 14 rpg player, but that's just me.

It's not as crazy as you think. Look at their stats compared side-by-side: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=.

This is the first year DJ got actual big minutes, so I used that year instead of the exact same age when he only played 16 minutes. So DJ is actually a year older in this comparison than Noel.

Per-36: Total Rebounds - DJ at 10.1, NN at 9.9. Defensive Rebounds - DJ at 6.5, NN at 7.1. Offensive Rebounds - DJ at 3.6, NN at 2.8.

Total Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 16.5, NN at 15.0.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 20.9, NN at 22.2.

Offensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 11.9, NN at 8.2.

So, overall, they're very similar rebounders in their overall ability. DJ is a better offensive rebounder; whereas, Noel is a better defensive rebounder. How much of the offensive rebounding is due to scheme is still questionable, too, because remember that Noel was sharing the court with Okafor a lot of times, so he was more out on the perimeter to allow space for Okafor to work offensively down low, which would undoubtedly skew the numbers a bit.

[heyvik]

I really am not a fan of Noel.  I don't see potential for him on offense at all.  It'd be grabbing the "rim protector" that won't actually make this team much better.

it better be with another first rounder and saric coming back cause noel is hot garbage and doesn't do crap for the celtics.

Noel is actually a younger and better version of DeAndre Jordan. Not much for offense but with space and pace, he's the perfect 5 and most importantly DEFENSIVE anchor in our system.

Better than DeAndre Jordan? 

Compare their stats by age and he's clearly a better all-around player than DJ, and I love DJ.

I don't see Noel suddenly making the leap to being a 14 rpg player, but that's just me.

It's not as crazy as you think. Look at their stats compared side-by-side: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=.

This is the first year DJ got actual big minutes, so I used that year instead of the exact same age when he only played 16 minutes. So DJ is actually a year older in this comparison than Noel.

Per-36: Total Rebounds - DJ at 10.1, NN at 9.9. Defensive Rebounds - DJ at 6.5, NN at 7.1. Offensive Rebounds - DJ at 3.6, NN at 2.8.

Total Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 16.5, NN at 15.0.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 20.9, NN at 22.2.

Offensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 11.9, NN at 8.2.

So, overall, they're very similar rebounders in their overall ability. DJ is a better offensive rebounder; whereas, Noel is a better defensive rebounder. How much of the offensive rebounding is due to scheme is still questionable, too, because remember that Noel was sharing the court with Okafor a lot of times, so he was more out on the perimeter to allow space for Okafor to work offensively down low, which would undoubtedly skew the numbers a bit.

I like the way you think...thanks again for the assist jpotter33