Stein- Philly ramping up efforts for #3

[greece66]

Plus, it opens the door for Danny to pursue his beloved Love again. Noel would cover up Love's defensive ills at the rim.

I can definitely see this happening.

I thought about Love as well...but now I don't see CLE trading him...I see a way for Horford to sign here in Boston.

22h22 hours ago
Mike & Mike ‏@MikeAndMike
"Without him, we wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. Kevin Love is going to be here. We want him here"
- Tyronn Lue

Eh... I still think the Cavs will trade Love.

Yes. #1, Lue is barely even the head coach , never mind the GM. #2, they wouldn't help themselves at all by declaring a fire sale on Love and killing their leverage.

I really doubt they trade Love.

First of all, what will CLE get in exchange?

Both the fans and Lue like Love. More importantly though, Lebron likes him; and at this stage LBJ's opinion is what matters the most.

[Dino Pitino]

Noel would finally give us a legit, to tier defensive big man we desperately need. He's also the right age for this team. Why is everyone on here so down on him ? Noel with Bradley, Smart and Crowder would be amazing. Add Horford and IT to that mix and we are a top team in the east, and still have more Nets picks to use

Tommy Point!


Those are four All-Defensive caliber players. If each winds up making at least one All-Defensive team in their career, guess how rare that would be, to field four All-Defensive-worthy players on the same squad? I think only a handful of teams in history have had such a quartet, and each was a phenomenal defensive team. We'd have the best defense in the league, especially on the perimeter, we'd challenge league records for forcing and scoring off of turnovers, and we might go down as an all-time great defensive team. I've been saying this all season, been sitting in the front row of the Noel bandwagon since before the deadline, and I'm so nervous about it maybe becoming a reality today that I might pee myself a little, lol.

[jpotter33]

Plus, it opens the door for Danny to pursue his beloved Love again. Noel would cover up Love's defensive ills at the rim.

I can definitely see this happening.

I thought about Love as well...but now I don't see CLE trading him...I see a way for Horford to sign here in Boston.

22h22 hours ago
Mike & Mike ‏@MikeAndMike
"Without him, we wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. Kevin Love is going to be here. We want him here"
- Tyronn Lue

Eh... I still think the Cavs will trade Love.

Yes. #1, Lue is barely even the head coach , never mind the GM. #2, they wouldn't help themselves at all by declaring a fire sale on Love and killing their leverage.

Haha  TP!

[jpotter33]

Ugghh, I have got absolutely NOTHING done all week from trying to follow all of these rumors everyday and posting here lol

[Snakehead]

Winning a championship as an underdog, coming back from a 3-1 deficit to beat one of the best teams in NBA history, sure is good for not a coach.

[Dino Pitino]

I really am not a fan of Noel.  I don't see potential for him on offense at all.  It'd be grabbing the "rim protector" that won't actually make this team much better.

it better be with another first rounder and saric coming back cause noel is hot garbage and doesn't do crap for the celtics.

Noel is actually a younger and better version of DeAndre Jordan. Not much for offense but with space and pace, he's the perfect 5 and most importantly DEFENSIVE anchor in our system.

Better than DeAndre Jordan? 

Compare their stats by age and he's clearly a better all-around player than DJ, and I love DJ.

I don't see Noel suddenly making the leap to being a 14 rpg player, but that's just me.

It's not as crazy as you think. Look at their stats compared side-by-side: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=.

This is the first year DJ got actual big minutes, so I used that year instead of the exact same age when he only played 16 minutes. So DJ is actually a year older in this comparison than Noel.

Per-36: Total Rebounds - DJ at 10.1, NN at 9.9. Defensive Rebounds - DJ at 6.5, NN at 7.1. Offensive Rebounds - DJ at 3.6, NN at 2.8.

Total Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 16.5, NN at 15.0.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 20.9, NN at 22.2.

Offensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 11.9, NN at 8.2.

So, overall, they're very similar rebounders in their overall ability. DJ is a better offensive rebounder; whereas, Noel is a better defensive rebounder. How much of the offensive rebounding is due to scheme is still questionable, too, because remember that Noel was sharing the court with Okafor a lot of times, so he was more out on the perimeter to allow space for Okafor to work offensively down low, which would undoubtedly skew the numbers a bit.

A1 quality post, man. Toh. Mee. Point.

[nostar]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

[Fafnir]

I can't get excited about a quartet where Bradley is by far the best shooter among the 4. Need Steph at PG to make the spacing work.

[Fafnir]

Noel can be a really good rebounding and defense center. But more along the lines of Ben Wallace or Noah not Deandre. Just completely different physical profiles.

[boscel33]

Just listening to the radio; Pelicans, T-wolves, and Sixers are all heavy on #3.

I would try to pry Dieng and #5 away from Minny. Get a big and still draft Jaylen.

Tell Philly to screw.

This would be really nice!

[Casperian]

Ugghh, I have got absolutely NOTHING done all week from trying to follow all of these rumors everyday and posting here lol

Haha

[Dino Pitino]

I can't get excited about a quartet where Bradley is by far the best shooter among the 4. Need Steph at PG to make the spacing work.

Or maybe...Durant at the 3/4 next to Crowder at the 3/4? 

[kozlodoev]

I really am not a fan of Noel.  I don't see potential for him on offense at all.  It'd be grabbing the "rim protector" that won't actually make this team much better.

it better be with another first rounder and saric coming back cause noel is hot garbage and doesn't do crap for the celtics.

Noel is actually a younger and better version of DeAndre Jordan. Not much for offense but with space and pace, he's the perfect 5 and most importantly DEFENSIVE anchor in our system.

Better than DeAndre Jordan? 

Compare their stats by age and he's clearly a better all-around player than DJ, and I love DJ.

I don't see Noel suddenly making the leap to being a 14 rpg player, but that's just me.

It's not as crazy as you think. Look at their stats compared side-by-side: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=noelne01&y2=2011&p2=jordade01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=.

This is the first year DJ got actual big minutes, so I used that year instead of the exact same age when he only played 16 minutes. So DJ is actually a year older in this comparison than Noel.

Per-36: Total Rebounds - DJ at 10.1, NN at 9.9. Defensive Rebounds - DJ at 6.5, NN at 7.1. Offensive Rebounds - DJ at 3.6, NN at 2.8.

Total Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 16.5, NN at 15.0.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 20.9, NN at 22.2.

Offensive Rebounding Percentage: DJ at 11.9, NN at 8.2.

So, overall, they're very similar rebounders in their overall ability. DJ is a better offensive rebounder; whereas, Noel is a better defensive rebounder. How much of the offensive rebounding is due to scheme is still questionable, too, because remember that Noel was sharing the court with Okafor a lot of times, so he was more out on the perimeter to allow space for Okafor to work offensively down low, which would undoubtedly skew the numbers a bit.

I didn't say there weren't statistically similar at one point. I said I don't see Noel making the same leap -- he's not as long or as strong as Jordan, and has a leg injury history.

[aingeforthree]

Honestly I hope we can roll all of this Philly stuff in to a 3-way trade with Chicago. I don't want any of the Philly bigs but Chicago might. Something like

Noel+Covington+Bradley to Chicago
Dunn+Jerebko to Philly
Butler to Boston

I'm not sure if Noel, Covington and Bradley are enough for Chicago (probably not) but it seems like something Philly would do. Maybe we could convince Philly to kick in another draft pick for Chicago to bite. I know this is just an inversion of the #3+Bradley for Butler but instead of 3 they get Noel+Covington. At least those are guys we know can play in the NBA a little.

Why not any of the Philly bigs ? We could use any of them

[crimcartel]

I don't see what pelicans have to offer for a 3.. that roster is terrible... dieng and minny's lotto pick is interesting as we could still pick a player we like and get a rim protector.

to me its okafor or bust