The Official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets Season Watch Thread (20-62, #1)

[RockinRyA]

4. After rewatching some of the prospects in the 18 draft, I think the top 2 players have higher upsides than players in the 17 draft.

I see this said every year:

We have to get Wiggins...nah...Towns and Okafor are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Towns or Okafor...nah...Simmons and Ingram are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Simmons or Ingram...nah...Fultz and Ball are better we will get them next year.
We have to get Ball or Fultz...nah...two guys coming out next year are better.

And people wonder why I don't pay any attention to scouting 17 and 18 year olds

Towns and Okafor were more enticing than Wiggins because they were both Bigs and Embiid was injured. There's also not much people who are saying they preferred Simmons and Ingram over Towns. SImmons and Ingram was actually preferred by a lot last year than Ball and Fultz because both are guards and we have a ton of those.

[celticsclay]

4. After rewatching some of the prospects in the 18 draft, I think the top 2 players have higher upsides than players in the 17 draft.

I see this said every year:

We have to get Wiggins...nah...Towns and Okafor are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Towns or Okafor...nah...Simmons and Ingram are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Simmons or Ingram...nah...Fultz and Ball are better we will get them next year.
We have to get Ball or Fultz...nah...two guys coming out next year are better.

And people wonder why I don't pay any attention to scouting 17 and 18 year olds

Towns and Okafor were more enticing than Wiggins because they were both Bigs and Embiid was injured. There's also not much people who are saying they preferred Simmons and Ingram over Towns. SImmons and Ingram was actually preferred by a lot last year than Ball and Fultz because both are guards and we have a ton of those.

There is definitely a tendency in our society at the moment to really rush towards the next "great thing." This can be seen in articles appearing every year with the headlines like "why next years draft will be absolutely loaded." There is a rush to declare young rookies superstars after a handful of games. A rush to call a team, like the warriors, a clear dynasty, after winning one championship. Just in the past few weeks we have had a rush to call the 76ers a future juggernaut and clear playoff team because they put together 3 weeks of good play.

It wasn't that long ago the Timberwolves were being called extremely loaded. This year it is completely unclear what they have with Dieng, Lavine, Towns and Wiggins.

[clevelandceltic]

4. After rewatching some of the prospects in the 18 draft, I think the top 2 players have higher upsides than players in the 17 draft.

I see this said every year:

We have to get Wiggins...nah...Towns and Okafor are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Towns or Okafor...nah...Simmons and Ingram are better we will get one of them next year.
We have to get Simmons or Ingram...nah...Fultz and Ball are better we will get them next year.
We have to get Ball or Fultz...nah...two guys coming out next year are better.

And people wonder why I don't pay any attention to scouting 17 and 18 year olds

Towns and Okafor were more enticing than Wiggins because they were both Bigs and Embiid was injured. There's also not much people who are saying they preferred Simmons and Ingram over Towns. SImmons and Ingram was actually preferred by a lot last year than Ball and Fultz because both are guards and we have a ton of those.

From my seat I would disagree with this. When I watched all three, I had Embiid about 2 notces above Towns as a prospect and about 10 above Okafor. Okafor was not even in the same league as those other two for me. Towns just brought so much to the table even as a HS junior than Okafor that I was really surprised people said Okafor would be the top pick going into the year. I think Towns deal was he played alot of face up as a HS player but Del Harris tried to get him to be a back to the basket guy when he played on the DR national team. Who knows.

If I had to rank players from 2014 - 18 on what I have seen before they became pros I would rank them as follows:
1. Embiid
2. Towns
3. Simmons
4. Ayton
5. Wiggins
6. Porter
7. Fultz
8. Parker
9. Brown

After this spot it becomes foggy. I think you could juggle 5 - 9 but for my eyes the top 4 are pretty static.

[hwangjini_1]

no doncic? not sure how you compiled this list. please provide the methodology and stats.

thanks.

[saltlover]

no doncic? not sure how you compiled this list. please provide the methodology and stats.

thanks.

He hasn't watched Doncic, and thus has a major gap.  (Not being snarky, cleveland, I just think I remember you saying that to me a day or two ago.)

[clevelandceltic]

no doncic? not sure how you compiled this list. please provide the methodology and stats.

thanks.

Its based on players I have seen play not stats or based on outside scouting reports. I havent seen Doncic enough to place him anywhere on a prospects list.

I can share what I thought of those players prior to being in the NBA if that helps. Also I need to change that 9 spot to Tatum and make 10 Brown

[clevelandceltic]

no doncic? not sure how you compiled this list. please provide the methodology and stats.

thanks.

He hasn't watched Doncic, and thus has a major gap.  (Not being snarky, cleveland, I just think I remember you saying that to me a day or two ago.)

That is absolutely correct. I have not seen enough of him to make a definitive statement on him. I have seen very small pieces of action on Doncic. From all reports he is as good as Ayton and Porter but I havent seen it so I try not to make definitive statements.

[hwangjini_1]

no doncic? not sure how you compiled this list. please provide the methodology and stats.

thanks.

He hasn't watched Doncic, and thus has a major gap.  (Not being snarky, cleveland, I just think I remember you saying that to me a day or two ago.)

That is absolutely correct. I have not seen enough of him to make a definitive statement on him. I have seen very small pieces of action on Doncic. From all reports he is as good as Ayton and Porter but I havent seen it so I try not to make definitive statements.

fair enough. thanks for the response and a tp for you.

[clevelandceltic]

I guess I should qualify my list as to not confuse people. These are the prospects that I have seen on multiple levels and in multiple competitions before they arrived in the NBA. I cant speak to a guy like Duval who I have only seen once and Wendell Carter whom I have seen twice or Doncic who I have only seen snippets of.

[mef730]

BKN resting or without everyone tonight. Looking forward to the Cavs breaking their streak.

I was hoping that they would play Lopez and rest him tomorrow against Minnesota.

Mike

[The One]

I hope Cleveland wins tonight and breaks their spirit for the rest of the season.


Was that too harsh?

[Phantom255x]

If the Cavaliers somehow lose this, then man, Lebron is going to throw a HUGE tantrum and probably trade guys left and right lol.

[mef730]

I hope Cleveland wins tonight and breaks their spirit for the rest of the season.


Was that too harsh?

No, not harsh enough. The correct answer is, "I hope Cleveland wins tonight and breaks their spirit for the rest of the season, as well as all of next season."

But a TP for close enough.

Mike

[csfansince60s]

If the Cavaliers somehow lose this, then man, Lebron is going to throw a HUGE tantrum and probably trade guys left and right lol.

TP.... that would be entertaining!

[Phantom255x]

If the Cavaliers somehow lose this, then man, Lebron is going to throw a HUGE tantrum and probably trade guys left and right lol.

TP.... that would be entertaining!

LOL, but Cavaliers up 20 so business as usual.

That being said.. they actually haven't played great today, but it's the Nets so..